Originally Posted By Doobie This topic is for discussion of the February 6th Tokyo DisneySea Update and Tokyo DisneySea in general. This update is at: <a href="News-ID502100.asp" target="_blank"><a href="http://LaughingPlace.com/News-ID502100.asp" target="_blank">http://LaughingPlace.com/News- ID502100.asp</a></a>.
Originally Posted By Tannerman Very cool update. Thanks for the photos. There isn't much on the net about DisneySea, so it's good to see an update.
Originally Posted By damon63 All I can say is WOW! I guess I better start making plans to visit Tokyo Disney next year.
Originally Posted By JoeInJpn Good deal Marc! Great job on the photos and background on TDS! Look forward to more of your postings. Send me an email sometime. JoeInJpn jtcent@hotmail.com More pics at: <a href="http://www.jtcent.com" target="_blank">http://www.jtcent.com</a>
Originally Posted By Disneybrad I know everyone thinks this is going to be a great park, but lloking at the photos I noticed something. With all the complaints that DCA doesn't have a berm and instead just has a large wall around the park, it appears that DisneySea, doens't have a berm as well., yet no-one is complaing about it.
Originally Posted By Marc -DL Traveler Actually, DisneySea uses a combination of berms (the one at Lost River Delta is better described as a mountain!), structures, and, along the side of the park up against Tokyo Bay, breakers, to hide the outside world. Marc
Originally Posted By wtg2000 From the artwork and the pictures, it certainly looks like you'll be hidden from the outside world (much of which is water anyway I think). I mean, there's no berm at MGM, ECPOT, or AK, yet you don't see anything there.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Disneybrad, Marc forgot to mention one interesting point. The TDR monorail line travels along the perimeter of TDSea and the imagineers had the foresight to lower the beam to ground level behind the berms and structure in the back of the park, so that the integrity and look of the themed lands can be maintained. Also, you all might be surprised that only about 1/4 of TDSea actually looks towards Tokyo Bay, and that is the back of the park only. One side shares the backstage areas with TDL, the front has the monorail st. and the parking structure and the east side faces a water canal in the port area. All of this is to the best of my knowledge as i have walked the entire perimeter of the resort.
Originally Posted By Reedy Creek That construction in Mermaid Lagoon gave me heart palpitations!!! They seem to be ACTUALLY constructing full scale representations of structures from a recent Disney movie!!! What a novel concept-perhaps the OLC realizes that this is exactly WHY we come to a Disney park, for pure Disney magic and not to see giant pink dinosaurs that house sunglasses!!!
Originally Posted By Beaumandy This update is killing me. TDS is going to be awesome! Do I need to say how frustrating it is that they are builing this place on the other side of the world. Am I selfish for wanting this type of park in the old DL parking lot?
Originally Posted By Great Stone Dragon I better start saving up for a trip to Tokyo now. That place looks sweet; that's all there is to it.
Originally Posted By ParrotHead Kudos to the Oriental Land Company for "out-Disneying" Disney. TDS seems to be a true Disney-quality park. The best thing is that it was designed by our Imagineers. They have NOT lost their touch! Given enough of a budget, they can still work magic.
Originally Posted By wtg2000 I agree. I don't think the Imagineers have ever lost their touch. I've heard rumours that they have great attractions that the execs never let them build. Consider to that they often have to put things into existing spaces and make them work (Buzz, Alien Encounter), and I think they do a pretty good job. As for the Oriental Land Company, here's an Eisner quote from the annual report: "(TDS) wil be totally original and totally breathtaking, thanks to the commitment of our partners, Oriental Land Company Ltd, whose investment is building the park." I like how he said totally original, but he didn't say that about DCA. In fact, in that section he mentioned Downtown Disney first, then the new hotel, then DCA. Saving the best for last?
Originally Posted By Reedy Creek I think that the Anti-Walt realizes that saying the words "DCA" and "TDS" in the same sentence would probably qualify him to be pelted to death with stones in public!!!
Originally Posted By ParrotHead Yeah... I don't think even DCA's biggest fans would describe it as being "totally original and totally breathtaking." When I originally read Eisner's letter, I was pleased to see him giving full credit to OLC. I see lots of people talking about flying from the US to Japan to see TDS. I've yet to see anyone who wants to fly from Japan to the US to see DCA.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN <<I have yet to see anyone who wants to fly from Jpan to the US to see DCA>> Well, i am sure that DCA will become a side trip to DL just like Universal is to WDW. However, here in Florida, there is a lot of Japanese tour groups arriving almost daily i would say. I see them all over WDW, they stay at the resort hotels on property and basically spend a lot of $$. My assesment is that they enjoy WDW but they don't appear to be impressed with anything at all. Example- the other day while watching the "Magical Moments" parade (which is truly a magical mess) three japanese ladies were standing across Main Street from us and during the parade i kept watching them for their reaction, and frankly they stood there stone-faced most of the time. This is not typical for the japanese who at TDL react with lots of enthusiasm and participate in the parade experience. Also, as i work in the travel business, many tourists from Japan i have met at work share their views on WDW when i ask which one park they like better, their responses are "not so good" "not too clean". Sometimes Disneyland gets higher marks over WDW from these same japanese tourists. I have also seen japanese tourists at DLP but have not had the chance to hear their impressions from Paris. Personally, i would hate to travel from o far away expecting the same TDL quality and getting short changed, as the japanese do spend a lot of money on their Disney trips outside Japan. Yet they love Disney pasionately and still come, go figure... It's like us here at the boards, we may critizise this and that but in the end, we still love anything Disney and will continue to patronize it..
Originally Posted By MouseBear Salutations All, I think DisneySea looks wonderful, and I hope to be able to visit the Park someday. I also hope to see many of the Park's attractions in Anaheim in some form. However, I don't think DisneySea would have worked in the old parking lot. There just isn't enough room. DCA will be a great Park, in ten years, DisneySea will be a great Park when it opens. I wish we could have DisneySea, but I think DCA is the better choice for the Disneyland Resort. It just makes more sense for the location of the park. MouseBear
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Mousebear, Tokyo DisneySea was never intended for the good old DL parking lot. It was supposed to be built by the water in the Long Beach area, althought i am not sure how much TDS' offerings have changed/improved/scaled back since the Long Beach plans were drawn.
Originally Posted By MouseBear Salutations TDLFAN, I actually knew that DisneySea was intended for Long Beach, but those planes fell through. I've heard it was some kind of environmental issue. Next the company was going to build Westcot in DL's parking lot. That plan fell through when an Anaheim citizen group led a successful campaign to stop the park. So DCA and DTD were the best alternative for the situation as it was. I would rather have DisneySea, and I'd rather have a West Coast version of the World Showcase. However, these Parks were not economically, physically, or politically possible in the old parking lot. Give the Disneyland Resort ten years. It will evolve from a good place to visit, to an amazing place to visit. I hope, MouseBear
Originally Posted By DLMAGICDARREN Well said Mousebear. I share your opinions about DCA! I've always thought "Could it be a better park with twice the land and budget?", well of course, but Imaganeers had to work with the space and the dollars they were given, and they came up with a fine park. And like you said give them 10 years. DisneySeas will not have the same problems since it's not being fully funded by Disney, and they don't seem to have the same type of space limitations.
