Originally Posted By Mr X See, now here's what really wrong with "religion gone bad". And no, I'm not saying ALL religious people but it's just stunning that some people take it to this level (and yes, I believe some posters on LP are well on their way to this sort of path if not there already). I found this topic on another site, and I'm quoting the original poster...quote is directly from the first 2 paragraphs with no editing... "this has been heavy on my heart and obviously on my head since i've had a headache since the election. Looking at the Prop 8 protestors this past week and this morning, I see that Mormons are being persecuted as are black people who voted Yes. They are afraid in their own homes and i have I heard Chuck Schumer LIE thru his teeth this morning about the vote fraud being carried on by democrats...a low point even for him. The fact that we have an arab in the white house. I don't deny that i have had a part in this..meaning my sins. Many of us who have tolerated diversity, feminism, sexual revolution, multiculturalism to name some of the lesser sins...and believe me they're bad enough." <a href="http://www.republicanoperative.com/forums/faith-beliefs/15060-when-god-abandons-nation.html" target="_blank">http://www.republicanoperative...ion.html</a> So, wow. People really THINK this way? Amazing. I guess that's the sort of reason I am heavily skeptical of organized religion. It leads to bad places.
Originally Posted By Mr X By the way, the thread has 15 replies and not a single one of them says anything contrary...not a single poster wants to say "hey! what the heck are you talking about calling multiculturalism a "sin"!?". Not a one, out of 15. Wow.
Originally Posted By fkurucz How does it feel to live in mono-cultural Japan? Can you take your driver's license test in English. Do ex-pats demand that the Japanese taxpayer pay to educate their kids in a language other than Japanese? When you call an automated line, does it instruct you to press "8" for English? Or do they expect you to assimilate?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< The fact that we have an arab in the white house. >>> It's a fact, eh? Even if Obama was Muslim, his mother was a white woman from the US and his father was a black man from Kenya - how does that make him Arab?
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Does that mean the Japanese are getting sinful too? >> So are you saying that Japan is a multicultural society? From what I have read the largest minority consists of ethnic Koreans, and they do not receive the sorts of accommodations that are commonly handed out in the US to foreigners (like education in their native language). Is multiculturalism sinful? Probably not. But that doesn't mean its a good idea.
Originally Posted By Mr X The ethnic Koreans who were forcibly brought to Japan get treated like dirt. Much like blacks have been throughout history in America (except at least in America, some demanded changes...the Koreans in Japan today are in some ways comparable to the situation of black folks in America back in the 50's). What's your point, KooRoots? Is multiculturalism a "bad" idea? Is that the argument you are driving at here? If so, the answer is...it doesn't matter. It's here, it's now, and it's the way the world is going (yes, even in mono-cultural Japan, believe it or not...and THEY need to start dealing with it better too). Sorry, but I'm just not getting your "line of attack" here. Are you saying everyone should go back to their country of origin and stay there? I think the world isn't moving in that direction, to say the least.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***they do not receive the sorts of accommodations that are commonly handed out in the US to foreigners (like education in their native language)*** They are denied lots of things and "handed out" absolutely nothing. Not even tourist visas to go on vacation (as I have personal knowledge of such discrimination having happened to a friend of mine, this bothers me quite a lot), nor other basic rights. I really don't get your point here. I really don't. Trust me when I tell you that Japan sucks a WHOLE lot worse than America on equal rights issues, PARTICULARLY the rights of folks they once subjugated and enslaved (you brought them up, not I). Oh, and womens' rights too. Is that somehow "better" than America? I think not.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Is that somehow "better" than America? I think not.>> Whoa! Weren't you the one expounding the other day why Japan was so much better, in large part because of its Buddhist culture? (Maybe it was someone else?) <<It's here, it's now, and it's the way the world is going (yes, even in mono-cultural Japan, believe it or not...and THEY need to start dealing with it better too).>> FWIW, Japan seems to have done quite well without having to resort to the mass importation of uneducated, culturally unassimilatable immigrants. Their country is clean, crime is low and their standard of living is higher. If apologists for multiculturalism are right then Japan and Korea should be abysmal failures in the global economy, which they are not. Sure is funny how monocultural Toyota and Honda are so darn successful, while multicultural GM and Ford are disasters. All that "diversity" sure didn't lead to a better product, even though we are told that it is required.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka Okay, even if "multiculturalism" is bad for a country, it certainly isn't a "sin" for crying out loud. In fact, I'd say it's the opposite.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<I really don't get your point here. I really don't.>> My point was that you have chosen (for one reason or another) to live in Japan, a country that DOESN'T subscribe to multiculturalism, and you seem to like it very much. And while you note some legitimate complaints about Japanese society, I suspect that it wouldn't be as successful and you wouldn't like it as much, if it were as multicultural as say central LA.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <multicultural GM and Ford are disasters. All that "diversity" sure didn't lead to a better product, even though we are told that it is required.> Huh? GM and Ford's failures have to do with their products, by and large, not being as attractive as those of other car makers, not with the skin tones of those making the cars.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>GM and Ford's failures have to do with their products, by and large, not being as attractive as those of other car makers, not with the skin tones of those making the cars.<< Exactly. Some of the bad feelings about GM and Ford are leftover from the 70's and early 80's, when they were churning out truly awful vehicles compared to Honda, Toyota and Datsun/Nissan. The Japanese cars were reliable, well built machines that were a terrific value. In contrast, clunky Dusters and Chevy Citations and K-Cars and explosive Pintos were what Detroit was offering, and lots and lots of trucks. I don't know where the diversity angle has anything to do with it. If anything, the Big 3 didn't have much of a diversity in terms of what kinds of cars to build, and there was a lot of duplication. Did we really need identical models of cars and trucks sold under Ford and Mercury, Chevy and Pontiac and GM brands?
Originally Posted By barboy For #12 No, fukrucz nailed it. There is a strong correlation between a society where everyone is on the same page and pushing for the same end result like the homogeneity of Japan which pumps out high quality cars and a mulitculture US environment with competing agendas building junk cars. Diversity is not always a good thing since it creates conflict. In Japan there is a saying: "the nail that sticks up gets hammered down" This multiculturism is one way to explain why the US and France Disney parks are filthy relative to Asian Disney Parks.
Originally Posted By barboy ///GM and Ford's failures have to do with their products, by and large, not being as attractive as those of other car makers, not with the skin tones of those making the cars/// Why bring up skin tones anyway? fkurucz was talking about culture not race per se, no? Here comes Japan again.......in Japan there are light skinned and dark skinned people who for the most part share the same core societal beliefs.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Huh? GM and Ford's failures have to do with their products, by and large, not being as attractive as those of other car makers, not with the skin tones of those making the cars.>> Sorry, but we are constantly being told that unless we are multicultural we will fail. I have been hearing this for over 20 years. Yet monocultural Japan proves this claim to false.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Huh? GM and Ford's failures have to do with their products, by and large, not being as attractive as those of other car makers, not with the skin tones of those making the cars.>> Sorry, but the modern orthoxy is that with diverse workforces come better products. Simply not true.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<Why bring up skin tones anyway? fkurucz was talking about culture not race per se, no?>> Correct.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Huh? GM and Ford's failures have to do with their products, by and large, not being as attractive as those of other car makers, not with the skin tones of those making the cars.>> <Sorry, but the modern orthoxy is that with diverse workforces come better products. Simply not true.> I've never heard anyone claim that the quality of what's coming off the assembly line is improved by diversity of race or culture or anything else. That the society as a whole is better via diversity, yes. But not that what comes off the assembly line is better (or worse) as a result. That's a function of what the design was; who's operating the machinery doesn't matter. I think you're tilting at a straw windmill here.
