Originally Posted By sjhym333 Screamscape is reporting that the new FP policy on return times is currently being enforced. There are signs at the attractions informing guests of the change, the FP tickets also have the new policy on them. CM's are also verbally informing guests that return times are being strictly enforced. Would love to be around at the FP return line at one of the major attractions and watch what happens when someone returns 20 mins after their return time has passed. I bet the sob stories are going to be great
Originally Posted By Scutr This even made the news on the local (Philadelphia) ABC affiliate. Of course, Disney news often does, but I thought it a bit strange that they made that much out of it.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb I wonder if you can fudge the timing if you have proof you were "stuck" in a Disney restaurant during your return time. That was how it was supposed to work when FP first came out before they stopped enforcing the return times.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 My guess is that it will be up to a manager on whether or not they will give you a pass on allowing you to board after your return time has passed due to unforseen circumstances. I also wonder if they will check to see if the guest was actually where they said they were.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros That's an interesting thought. Right now it would pretty much just be trusting people's word. If NextGen gets its way, with RFID and ways of tracking everything you do, and centralizing all of your restaurant and ride reservations, it would be pretty easy to see what time you were at the restaurant (and possibly even when you left, depending if you paid with your RF chip or not). Kind of creepy, but also potentially helpful in situations like this.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Obviously I thought this should have been enforced from the get go. My can't guests be more honest? I know my party always enjoyed rides using FP during the designated times. I quess I was the only one. If people were more honest and IF Disney actually enforced it own rules <rolls eyes> maybe the RFID chips wouldn't be necessary. As far as I know you can't use excuses for not showing up or being late to dinner plans on the DDP.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I think if Disney is smart they will enforce the return time no matter what. Its really the only fair way plus it will teach people that they mean what they say about return times
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: It's not a matter of people not being honest when they don't adhere to the Fastpass return window. It's that many things come up that make it difficult for the time frames to be met. ORWEN: Yeah, like when you've got reservations for dining that clash with your time for a Fast pass time return. ORDDU: Or you get stuck on another attraction that puts you behind schedule. ORGOCH: Er ya git stuck in an out house somewhere's an' cain't git Ma Nature ta cooperate with the dang Fast pass return time. Happens ta ol Orwen all the time! ORDDU: There are just so many things that can go wrong when you have to schedule so much around a Fast Pass Return time. I don't blame guests who used to take advantage of such an inconvenient system. That's why this coven has been against Fast Pass from the start.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I have been very vocal, to the point of voodoo dolls in my image being made up to inflect pain on my person because of it, about my hatred of FastPass and it's built in problems. To me the problems outweigh the benefits for most of the guests. It is, however there and like a 600 pound Gorilla in your living room, we have to deal with it. The following is a post that I made on a different Board (gasp). Instead of recreating it I will copy it to here. It is my opinion on the whining and posturing that has already shown up. .............................. We can over complicate this thing forever by coming up with possible conflicting situations...you know what, it isn't anymore important than the plight of the person that cannot get one at all because they are out of them. It is what it is. If you cannot find a way to coordinate your FP's so that they don't conflict with your ADR's then you just have to make a choice. Ride the ride and forfeit the ADR or go to Dinner and forfeit the ride. Simple! The choice is yours. The choice that is not yours is to expect that Disney or any other company can tailor every situation to fit the needs of each individual involved. Just as the person that gets to the FP kiosk to late to get one has to decide whether to stand in Stand-by to ride the ride or skip it. They cannot go to a CM and say...the FP machine has reached it's max for the day so you need to let me in the FP line because I wanted one and you didn't have it available and I don't want to stand in line for an hour. Does anyone think that would happen? No! If you miss the window, you miss the window. There are no guarantees that the restaurant you go to will be able to get you in, take your order, prepare it, bring it to you and settle up based on some personal desire to go on BTMR or whatever. It is not Disney's responsibility to know when your ADR's are, it is yours. If you cannot get a FP that doesn't interfere with that...well, frankly, you can't get one. Now a ride that breaks down while you are on it, delaying you past your window will probably be handled at the ride. I'm sure they have a method of informing the FP CM at the ride in question that you were delayed and you were captive, due to a mechanical problem. If you are still in the line and you notice that your FP will expire before you can get on and finish then, again, you have to make a decision. Do I stay here and miss my FP time or do I leave the line and go then come back to this one later. Again...your responsibility not Disney's. If a ride gets delayed before you get on it you are not shackled to the Queue...you can always leave. I'm not saying that people won't be upset by this, but you know that this is going to be a hassle for the CM's and Management. No one is that masochistic that they would subject themselves to that kind of pain if they didn't have a good reason for it other than to just aggravate the public. Although I bet it is tempting sometimes.
Originally Posted By Manfried I think people who abuse the Fastpass should be not only denied entry, but locked out of the system all together.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Where do I begin? There are so many problems with how the Disney Company runs their parks. I don't have a problem with FP per se. My understanding is that FP was created so that guests would shop more and stand in lines less. Works for me. And FP in my estimation made a lot more sense back when it was created and makes less sense now with the WDW parks jammed pack full of guests. FP also doesn't make up for ridiculeously slow boarding rides or antiquated rides that were never designed for the numbers of parks guests they are subjected to now on a daily basis. FP also doesn't make up for why some WDW rides are consistently run at half capacity. I have always been a fan of omnimover rides. When EPCOT Center was first built it was full of omnimover rides. I guess I was the only one who liked them since WDW has systematically been removing them for limited capacity rides. Not only did the omnimover rides devour crowds, but it also made for rides with longer durations. I'm all for making WDW rides longer ( is anyone in Disney management listening ). You'd think that Disney would only be designing and building rides at WDW that can handle huge crowds. As for guests having to "forfeit" a ride due to other vacation committments or priorities. I don't buy it. Your typical WDW quests spends multiple days at WDW not just one day. If you missed a ride one day, you can easily enjoy that ride later during your WDW stay. And I have been to WDW plenty of times to find that one of my favorite rides is shut down, PoTC, SM, ,HM and TT. Heck, Test Track shuts down if it rains. I've been to WDW when the monorails aren't running. I've been to WDW during the Disney marathon when ALL the roads are shut down and you can't even get to the parks.
Originally Posted By Manfried KT, the problem isn't really the vacationers, its the spoiled APers who misuse the system, take advantage of it and wreck it for everyone else.
Originally Posted By tashajilek I currently dont own a AP and dont even live in the United States and visit regularly. Who are people spoiled when Disney is allowing this? people are still riding the attraction the "one time" they are allowed. When i use my fps are a different time i actually ride mostly in the late evening when the ride is less busy. Wouldnt i be doing a favor by riding when it was less crowded? or is that cheating?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I think that the AP comment was about Disneyland not WDW. I don't know how they would abuse the system anymore than anyone else, but from what I have read (and you know you can believe everything you read) the APers are accused of everything including evening thunder showers and winter snow storms in Minnesota.
Originally Posted By Donny Fastpass works and this will be one more update that has been needed for some time now.I know at some point I will be a victim of this new regulation and thats fine as long as they uphold this policy for everyone.
Originally Posted By Manfried I always suspected APers were to blame for all those thunder showers and winter snow storms in Minnesota.
