Originally Posted By CMM1 OK - I know it is risky starting up another thread about controversial "FP", but on my recent trip to WDW we used FPs on Splash Mountain, Space Mountain and Test Track. In each case, even with a FP we still waited 15 mins, 10 mins and 20 mins to get on each ride. 10 minutes seems ok - 20 mins does not. Shouldn't one expect to get on a ride using FP in 10 minutes or less? I'm not really complaining but is there not some kind of implied notion that a FP will get you on the ride "with no waiting" as opposed to "much faster than standbys"?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I've always seen FP's as no waiting once you get there. That's why you have to make two seperate trips to the attraction in order to use one. I think that about 5 minutes should be the cut off point. I know that it really varies on Space Mountain, depending on the use of the switchbacks after the split, but the others really don't have an excuse.
Originally Posted By crazyformickey On my last trip I saw longer then normal fast pass lines. I was happy about this as they are pulling equal from stand-by as fast pass. I still never waited more then 10-15 mins in a fast pass line so it was cool.
Originally Posted By danyoung The extra wait in the FP lines is caused by two things. First, when an attraction is down (as Splash is prone to do), all of the returning FP'ers just come back later. If it's down from 1pm to 4pm, during the 4-5 hour you now have the potential of 4 hours of FP returnees - a pretty big crowd. The other factor is that Disney doesn't enforce the return time on the tickets, and I think it's becoming general knowledge. The system is set up to handle x number of returnees per hour. If half of them dink around and come back an hour late, you now have a FP line that's jammed up. I really do wish Disney would enforce the end time on the tickets. Or as a friend suggested, put in a validation system in the restaurants, so if your meal runs long you can still use your ticket. Any other reason for being late is just an excuse.
Originally Posted By CMM1 As regards return times, it would stand to reason that later in the day you might see longer wait times as an FP returnee - and that is, in fact, what seemed to happen. If CM's letting in FP riders use the same "formula" (75% from FP versus 25% from standby at any one time), then it would stand to reason that FP returnees might "wait" longer later in the day. I guess if I had to make a choice, it would be to put up with a little bit of a wait in an FP line in order to come back whenever I wanted to instead of having to cleave exactly to the printed FP wait time.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo When they launched fastpass at DLP, I seem to remember them stating waits of 20 min or less. It's still preferable than standing in a 2 hour queue for Splashmountain.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN But at least those 2 hour long lines *MOVED*, as opposed to the stand by lines where you stand still in the same spot for very long periods of time.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> as opposed to the stand by lines where you stand still in the same spot for very long periods of time. << Exactly. Part of the reason why longer lines "work best" is if they move continuously. The stop/start/stop thing on top of people passing by is what adds to the rub.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Not to mention, it gives guests a chance to soak up a preshow or storyline for the ride. Everest's queue is prime example of that, and so are TDS' TOT and JTTCOTE's queues, to name a few of the exceptional examples out there. With FP? You miss that added show element and your experience is short-changed IMHO.
Originally Posted By kpwdwfan <<OK - I know it is risky starting up another thread about controversial "FP", but on my recent trip to WDW we used FPs on Splash Mountain, Space Mountain and Test Track. In each case, even with a FP we still waited 15 mins, 10 mins and 20 mins to get on each ride. >> I started a thread last week about the same issue and questioned why the FP lines were longer than usual. I was just there a couple of weeks ago and waited much longer than usual in the fast pass lines. I understand attractions break down and people don't return when they are supposed to but that's always been an issue. It seems that something else might be causing this problem.
Originally Posted By BlazesOfFire I think it would make a difference if return times were enforced. Some people have come to rely on Fastpasses, which isnt a smart thing to do in my book. when I was at MK for the reopening of Pirates, some teenage girl came walking back to where he family was screaming her head off about how they were the first in line but there was no fastpass at this attarction and she was TICKED about it! I can't believe how raging mad she was over no fastpass.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I can't believe how raging mad she was over no fastpass << Kiss my FastPass. (<---joking)
