Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/after-delaware-g-o-p-senate-takeover-appears-much-less-likely/" target="_blank">http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n...-likely/</a> Tea Party, we are in your debt.
Originally Posted By Mr X VERY disappointed to read there that the dingbat Rand Paul is almost certain to win. How can anyone vote for such lunatics!?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Haven't we been asking that question here for years now? Thanks for the link ecdc.
Originally Posted By Mr X Well, compared to this current crop of wingnuts George W seems downright moderate and reasonable! Moderates and left wingers had better wake up before these guys DO assume any real power...maybe they screwed the pooch this time but they've got 2012 to get fired up about and you'd better believe every Obama hating right winger is going to come out of the woodwork for THAT election.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Their power will reach its peak just before they nominate Palin for president. Then it will all come crashing down.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Anyone who is approaching this election rationally doesn't see what is going on in America. The family that has been living on unemployment checks for 2 years isn't thinking rationally. The couple with their home in foreclosure isn't thinking rationally. The college graduate, consumed with debt, who has no prospects for work outside of a low hourly wage isn't thinking rationally. Why one earth does anyone think people are going to vote based upon reasonable thinking? There is a good chunk of America right now that only cares about "throwing the bums out." They don't give two cents about which bums they replace them with. Of course, President Obama, has been very pragmatic and rational throughout all this -- which is exactly his problem. He is completely out of touch with the feeling of the electorate. He thinks Americans are "hurting," but he couldn't be more wrong. Many Americans are traumatized by their economic plight and they are going to make decisions that are not reasonable. The President and Democratic Congress would do well by throwing a little reason out the window and aggressively push through a progressive agenda while they still have a chance.
Originally Posted By Donny I think Mitt Romney will be the presidential nominee. maybe Palin for Vice but I hope not
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << I think Mitt Romney will be the presidential nominee. >> Romney was done in when the GOP demonized health care reform this past year. After all, he was responsible for the exact same style of government health care initiative in the state of Massachusetts. Any GOP primary contender is going to smear him as a leftie for being part of that scheme. Plus, Romney's Mormonism doesn't play well in mainstream Christian households. The GOP is sure to pick a wacko as their nominee. It might not be Palin, but probably someone who is even more of an idiot. I predict that neither the GOP or Democrats stand a chance for the Presidential race in 2012. Michael Bloomberg stands the best shot running as an independent -- if he's willing to spend the dough out of his own pocket to finance the race.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster SportGoofy: " Plus, Romney's Mormonism doesn't play well in mainstream Christian households. The GOP is sure to pick a wacko as their nominee. It might not be Palin, but probably someone who is even more of an idiot." Glenn Beck's Mormonism doesn't seem to hurt his popularity. It would be interesting if Beck had to choose between supporting Romney or Palin.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Glenn Beck's Mormonism doesn't seem to hurt his popularity. >> I think you'll find that Glenn Beck downplays his Mormonism quite a bit. He uses a lot Christian language on his TV show and public speaking, but rarely self-identifies with the Mormon church. In fact, when I brought up the fact that Glenn Beck was a Mormon in my office several months ago (an office full of Fox News faithful, btw), not a single one of these people who were regular viewers had any idea.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy And, fwiw, I think my guess for the 2012 contender (Michael Bloomberg) will have an uphill climb because of his Jewish faith.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster ~~~ I think you'll find that Glenn Beck downplays his Mormonism quite a bit. He uses a lot Christian language on his TV show and public speaking, but rarely self-identifies with the Mormon church. In fact, when I brought up the fact that Glenn Beck was a Mormon in my office several months ago (an office full of Fox News faithful, btw), not a single one of these people who were regular viewers had any idea.~~~ A lot of the things he says are taken from Mormon teachings even though he doesn't specifically say so. Mormons have this weird notion that they will be the saviors of the constitution. Mormons also view the founding fathers as divinely inspired. Mormons also believe in a mandatory 10% tithe and currently Beck is trying to convince his followers to give 10% of their income to charity to make up for reduced social programs in his ideal smaller federal government. And, very typical of Mormons, he claims to be the victim when people get upset with some of his hateful actions. I know not all of this is exclusive to Mormonism but it's pretty clear to this former Mormon where a lot of his ideas are stemming from.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Their power will reach its peak just before they nominate Palin for president. Then it will all come crashing down." Plus, none of these Tea Bag people could survive the grueling scrutiny of a Presidential election.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm not so sure ... teabaggers don't seem to have any expectation of honor or integrity from their candidates. Just look at this latest nutjob from Delaware as a prime example. It's become clear that she didn't file tax returns, used prior campaign funds to pay her rent and expenses long after she had lost and the 'campaign' was over, and appointed herself as her own campaign fund 'treasurer'. In addition, she was terminated from her last "real" job in 2004, and turned around and sued them for "gender discrimination". Presumeably it was groundless in the first place and motivated out of petty vindictiveness, and she eventually dropped it. Yet, not surprisingly, her supporters don't care one bit. And it's THEM she's ripping off! In a normal world, these kinds of antics would disqualify her from any public office, let alone the US senate. But this is not a normal world, and these people who vote for these loons have no expectation of accountability or even basic honesty in their candidates. What's important is that they whistle the right tune when it comes to tea party platitudes - take our country back, tax cuts, dismantle health care, reduce government yada yada. These candidates don't know an appropriation bill from a duck bill and have zero qualifications for the job. But they blow sweet nothings about evangelism, god, guns and gays and that's all it takes. On GOP 2012 candidates, I agree that Romney's toast. He wants to be the nominee, but the GOP of today will never give it to him - he's not crazy enough for them. I predict it'll be someone on the fox payroll - Palin, Huckabee, Gingrich or possibly even Beck.
Originally Posted By Mr X Why not their King of Kings, Rush Limbaugh himself? After all, they all answer to him when you come right down to it.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >It's become clear that she didn't file tax returns, used prior campaign funds to pay her rent and expenses long after she had lost and the 'campaign' was over, and appointed herself as her own campaign fund 'treasurer'.< Wasn't she the one running on the platform that Government couldn't handle money properly?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>How can anyone vote for such lunatics!?<< I'd vote for Rand Paul. I totally disagree with his positions on scads of issues, but he has it mostly right on the Only Ones That Really Matter right now - the economic ones. He's intelligent, he has integrity, and he's one of approximately 5 sane politicians I know of who I STILL don't think would sell out his principles to the highest bidder.
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/300-economists-warn-congr_n_719469.html" target="_blank">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...469.html</a> Here's some people who don't think Rand Paul is all that right on economic issues.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***the Only Ones That Really Matter right now*** Yeah, it doesn't matter if racist shopowners kick out all the negroes. That's none of the gubmint's bizness anyway! <---rolls eyes bigtime. Screw Rand Paul. And screw any idiot who would vote for such a nutjob.
