Originally Posted By Manfried What's with running the Haunted Mansion with both doors open? I mean the stretching room is what sets the scene. Don't the operations folks know any better? Marc Davis and Claude Coats are spinning in their grave.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I have encountered that a couple of times but it has been the exception rather than the rule. It may be there was a problem with the doors that required them to run the show that way rather than shut it down...or the cm's were being lazy. My observation of late has been they seem to be cramming people in the load area of the omnimover. On my last two rides the crowds were so deep that you could barely leave the stretch rooms. Both times I overheard guests commenting that the size of the crowd seemed unsafe and I saw several families leave thru the chicken exit when they saw the crowd.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***the cm's were being lazy*** This. I've been on the Haunted Mansion many times in Florida, but many more times than that in Tokyo over the years (can't speak for Cali, I've only experienced that attraction a handful of times). During my Florida experiences, I've seen this double open doors problem once or twice, but worse than that I've found myself entering the foyer when the pre-pre show was done or almost done MANY times (I'd almost dare say MOST times), such that you're pretty much being herded in just before or even as the stretch room doors are opening and you miss the whole opening setup. In all my experiences in Tokyo, I've never ONCE experienced either examples of terribly bad show. NOT...ONCE... (and I've probably been on the Tokyo mansion some 50 times or more over the years).
Originally Posted By Manfried The TDL folks have always run things the way they are supposed to, bravo for them. How come WDW doesn't get it? I mean don't they know its the good show that keeps people coming to the resort year after year? Me thinks they need a good dusting of pixie dust. If the Haunted Mansion cannot be run properly, it should not be run at all.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<My observation of late has been they seem to be cramming people in the load area of the omnimover. On my last two rides the crowds were so deep that you could barely leave the stretch rooms. Both times I overheard guests commenting that the size of the crowd seemed unsafe and I saw several families leave thru the chicken exit when they saw the crowd.>> That happens when managers are on your back 24/7 about OHRC. We're told to pack them in as tight as they can get on the Jungle Cruise, and I'm sure they're told the same at Mansion.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< That happens when managers are on your back 24/7 about OHRC. We're told to pack them in as tight as they can get on the Jungle Cruise, and I'm sure they're told the same at Mansion. >>> But, this all depends on where the ride count is measured. From memory, at DL, the optical guest counters at HM are at the exit to the ride. So, "stuffing the channel" as it might be called in the retail world such as by filling up the load area would have no effect on the measured OHRC, even when you initially did it. For HM, the only thing that would seem to matter would be to try to get guests to fill in as many guests as possible onto the DoomBuggies. Having the person at the load position encourage groups to take as few buggies as possible, and to not leave any empty, is the only thing at HM that can increase OHRC. Assuming that the load area doesn't completely empty out, the number of guests crammed in there has no effect whatever on OHRC.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Yep, I too experience the open doors on our trip to WDW (reason 42 why it was the worst Disney trip ever). It really annoyed the hell out of me, especially as it was my MIL's first and only time to experience it in English (she has been on Phantom Manor a dozen times or so). Does not happen in Paris nor Anaheim (can't in Anaheim), and is another reason why I am sour on the Tragic Kingdom. But the rubes are unlikely to know better. Personally I'd rather wait 10-20 minutes longer and do it properly.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Because in Anaheim you actually go down as well as the ceiling going up. I am not sure, but I think the same happens in Paris.
Originally Posted By Mr X Oh. Duh. So 2 shafts can't be opened at the same time though? Or is there only one? I think I'm missing something (unless the idea in Orlando is that you start cramming people into the other one moments after you close the first one?).
Originally Posted By vbdad55 No excuse as this completely ruins the pre show and should never be done- sorry the lines will be longer- but I'll bet the pressure is on because all rides likely more crowded with no capacity being taken up in the Toon Town and part of Fantasyland areas.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Personally I'd rather wait 10-20 minutes longer and do it properly.< I completely agree. I'm very glad that this is not possible in DL, as the lift actually lowers the stretch room into the doombuggy loading corridor. The preshow is there for a reason. Just because a CM has seen it a thousand times is no excuse to deprive the guest of that important bit of story setup.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo The way it worked is in Fla, they just kept the two sets of doors opened so the stretch room was an elongated corridor/queue line. In Anaheim, since it is a real elevator, they cannot do this. There is no excuse IMHO in WDW, other than they can.
Originally Posted By Mr X OOOOOOOHhhhhhh. See now, THAT I've never seen in Orlando. I thought you guys meant two entrances opened at once (both stretch rooms). Oh, that's MUCH worse. So they COMPLETELY ruin the illusion, not to mention the opening narrative!? Ugh. I would be SO pissed if that happened to me, I think I'd go to City Hall and complain!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Like I say X, our trip was doomed. This, with the broken AA's, lost reservations for dining, travel issues on the buses, a broken chair cutting Sarah, MK fireworks only available 3 nights of our 11 day trip to WDW (unless you went to the upcharge Christmas party), broken down buses, and so many other issues, really did impact on our enjoyment of WDW. Paris and Anaheim have their issues, but after that trip, well, hmmmm, I think most around here know how we felt. If we owned DVC, rented a car, stayed off site, or it was a 4 day trip (so like the experience of many posters), we would not feel so aggreived. But although we had fun, it was a our worst vacation ever.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>I would be SO pissed if that happened to me, I think I'd go to City Hall and complain!<< Oh,yes. That would be a must. I'd also track down whoever was managing the ride at that time. They would have some 'splainin' to do.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Because in Anaheim you actually go down as well as the ceiling going up. I am not sure, but I think the same happens in Paris.<<< I think you only sink, there. They don't have the room to go up, as you need to go below the train. And they better not still be doing this in June. Will be complaining...
Originally Posted By GOB The way I understand it, the OLC is contractually obliged by Disney to keep the parks running in top shape. To do otherwise would be a breach of contract with financial repercussions and such. Since it's not Disney's dime, it's pretty easy to have great maintenance and show in Tokyo. Perhaps if DL and WDW were ever bought by a third party, some sort of contract would exist, but I doubt it.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Just because a CM has seen it a thousand times is no excuse to deprive the guest of that important bit of story setup.>> It's not a CMs fault. They can't make that decision. They were told to do it.
