Originally Posted By AutoPost This topic is for Discussion of the headline: <a href="http://www.LaughingPlace.com/News-HID.asp?ID=30677" target="_blank"><b>Headlines: OrSen: Disney retools time-share points</b></a> The Disney Vacation Club has reassigned point values for weekend vs. weekday stays. While weekend nights will still be more expensive they have reduced the difference between the two periods point values. <small>Free registration required to view</small>
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I love how Disney shovels the magic I mean spreads it. Did DVC announce this to their timeshare "guests"? I do not recall getting an e-mail about this...Why would this be a good thing? If the weekends are vacant I would think selling the rooms is better for DVC corporation? Is this another attempt to make us feel good when it doesn't?
Originally Posted By fkurucz So they can redefine the number of points required to stay at will? So what happens if they decide to double the # of points required? Does that mean you only get 1/2 the days unless you downgrade to a lower resort (if you can)? Or are there contractual provosions that prevent that from happening?
Originally Posted By SuperDry ^^^ I thought the same thing. There must be contract provisions that prevent the type of devaluation you suggest. In this case, I think the situation is that the overall point cost is remaining the same, and that they are just fine tuning it. Specifically, if you were to stay for 7 days straight, the points required would be about the same.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo This is why I prefer weekly systems like Marriott. Whereas loyalty points for Marriott, Holiday Inn, Starwood and Hilton have devalued over the years, this does not surprise me at all.
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden <<There must be contract provisions that prevent the type of devaluation you suggest.>> From what I remember the total points for a resort cannot change. If they increase points in one section of the chart it must be lowered an equal amount somewhere else. I think the issue for DVC was that because the point totals for the weekend were so much higher than Sun-Thur, there was a big disparity between the occupancy rates mid-week versus weekend. <<In this case, I think the situation is that the overall point cost is remaining the same, and that they are just fine tuning it. Specifically, if you were to stay for 7 days straight, the points required would be about the same.>> That's correct. We typically book Sat-Sat and after reviewing the new charts for most of the resorts last night, the weekly point totals moved no more than 1-2 points up or down at any resort in any category. For us this is a complete non-issue. The members that this will truly affect are the people who only book Sun-Thurs. If they don't have enough points they'll either have to shorten their trips, book smaller accomodations or buy more points.
Originally Posted By dshyates "shorten their trips, book smaller accomodations or buy more points.' Which of those three is do you think Disney trying to force?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> ^Your little sister watched the pres last night, ask her. I watched it twice. Once on Fox once on CNN. I'm turning into a centrist like Spirit. >> Does our new stimulus package cover timeshares? << Well it covers Frisbee courses, so I would expect timeshares to be in there also, and tell your little sister we miss her post over here.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I love how Disney shovels the magic I mean spreads it. Did DVC announce this to their timeshare "guests"? I do not recall getting an e-mail about this...Why would this be a good thing? If the weekends are vacant I would think selling the rooms is better for DVC corporation? Is this another attempt to make us feel good when it doesn't?< this is actually a good thing - and please understand that if a week in a 1 bedroom at OKW was 210 points for 7 days -it has to remain 210 for the life of the resort. You cannot get less fory your money -- they can shift value fromFRiday to Monday or change seasons - but the net worth of your points cannot change. Here is what I think was happening -- let's say a typical week in June--Sunday thru Thursday was 27 pts for a unit andFri- Sat were 54 each. People were cutting vacations short because Fri & Sat were so expensive pt wise....or one found other places togo those days.Also discouraged things like 3 day weekend trips..which are easiest for most people to take for a getaway Just my guess - but for once ( and I am far from a Disney apologist ) this change didn't result in a screw job - I like it
Originally Posted By avro_imagineer <<This is why I prefer weekly systems like Marriott. Whereas loyalty points for Marriott, Holiday Inn, Starwood and Hilton have devalued over the years, this does not surprise me at all.>> Ok now I understand some timeshares are "deeded" where you technically own a piece of the property. Is the Marriott system this way? Isn't this type of system "indefinite?" If I understand correctly in the DVC type model (also used by others), your points expire after a certain time (I think like 30 years or something). Also question if I did buy into DVC, resale would be from the date of the first purchaser. If I bought into a release is the time for all the people in that "phase/release" (unsure of the technical term) the same, or do they mature based on your purchase date? Also are maintenance fees static or can they increase?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 the 'return' of deed is set for each resort - not when you buy in... although it also can change outward if you want to pay more in ex: OKW is 2042. They offered a one time chance for extension to 2005 but it cost additional money to do so I bought in 1993 - so for me it was 49 years SS is 2055 - regardless of when you buy in
Originally Posted By avro_imagineer And this is why I haven't even tried to buy into DVC. I wouldn't know which is the best value. Also I hate presentations
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I love the Marriott Vacation Club. 5* appartments. We are going to Playa Andaluzia on Friday for a week. Today I received an e-mail asking if we had any special requests for a unit, illustrating the options for entertainment (both free and chargeable next week), and arranging a time to give us our free welcome gift (usually a bottle of wine, loaf of bread and box of chocolates). DVC doesn't do that. Even better, this week is free since we swapped our Paris unit for Newport Beach last year!
