Originally Posted By TomSawyer Great graphic that shows how marriage is defined in the Bible: <a href="http://i.imgur.com/hvWtAPp.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/hvWtAPp.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean There you have it! After all .. God said it! He said - Be sure to quote me on that! No possible way a person created an idea straight out of their less sophisticated times, and bent imagination. - It's the word of god! Nobody lied then. No con artists back then. After all - Lies and Con Artists are only an invention of modern times! Liers didn't exist back then.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Thank goodness for Christ fulfilling the old law, and restoring the gospel of Christ, and providing a modern-day prophet.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>providing a modern-day prophet.<< Yes, that way they can change their minds about marriage too.
Originally Posted By mawnck And that, folks, is why Josh is here. Thanks for the input, Josh. Please take it to a tabernacle where somebody cares.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The old law? As in the Old Testament? As in polygamy, and women as the subordinate property of men? Is that the old law that Elizabeth Smart's kidnapper thought when he kidnapped her, raped her, and then considered her his wife? (Deuteronomy 22:28-29) What old law are you talking about?
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf He's referring to the Old Testament. One interpretation of Jesus' mission is that he fulfilled the law (whatever that means) and rendered all those archaic laws and rules null and void. What's interesting is that Jesus did not create many new rules Himself other than love God and your neighbor. So Jesus-based religions that now have all kinds of rules are really going agaist what Jesus did in fulfilling the law. Makes you wonder....
Originally Posted By ecdc Right. "All that Old Testament stuff about marriage is gone! Jesus replaced it!" "Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuality." "See, Jesus wasn't perfect. That's why we've got them there modern apostles who fill in the gaps that Jesus mistakenly left blank." "Uhhh..." "I know!" #blessed
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Thank goodness for Christ fulfilling the old law, and restoring the gospel of Christ, and providing a modern-day prophet." So where does the Book of Mormon fit into all this? Yes, I'm trolling.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Why are the rest of you here? I thought this was an open forum where we could each share our thoughts on matters, without being ridiculed....guess not.
Originally Posted By ecdc You continue to promote your personal beliefs as if they are fact, and that as fact, they deserve to be legislated. They are neither fact nor worthy of legislation. They are your personal beliefs. You are entitled to them. In that sphere, someone like me can even respect them. What I cannot respect, and I have never understood, is one simple failure of so many religious believers: The simple acknowledgment that one man's religion is another's superstition. I don't believe Orthodox Jews should get to legislate that no one can eat pork. I don't believe that certain Muslim sects can legislate that women should wear burkas. And yeah, I don't think Mormons, who believe that there are living prophets today, get to legislate around whose marriage is ordained of God and whose isn't. They are welcome to practice it in their temple. They are welcome to not invite the "unworthy" into their temples. They are welcome to preach from their pulpit, till they're blue in the face, what marriage is (conveniently ignoring what they thought it was 120 years ago). But they don't get to legislate it. It's really very straight forward.
Originally Posted By mawnck >> I thought this was an open forum where we could each share our thoughts on matters,<< Yeah. Within limits. >>without being ridiculed<< No. Especially when the limits are being breached. This is not a forum for proselytizing, and we're not going to let you turn it into one.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "But they don't get to legislate it. It's really very straight forward." Turns out we're not a theocracy (much to the disappointment of many Christians).
Originally Posted By TomSawyer You can support legislation, but as an American you shouldn't be supporting legislation that makes some citizens second class.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 To me this whole issue is a microcosm of this country as a whole, we concern ourselves with things are nobody's business.
