Originally Posted By Kayoss Just had to post this here, regarding the recent leak by Mr. Lutz for all you worried about the Pirates revisions. Gor everyone concerned..... you're missing the point. In my opinion, the original Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland was DESTROYED the moment they "PC'd" the chasing women scene and replaced it, idiotically, with food. I've never been able to get over that and it to me, it truly forever changed the ride. So all this talk of change and additions? BRING IT ON! I'd much rather see a much more exciting, brand new, Johnny-Depp laden overlay, then the painful reminder of present-day “Disney afraid of people being offended†version they have now. Rotting skeletons? Myst projectors? The Black Pearl boat? MORE then 3 BRAND-NEW FULL animatronics? A new sound system? You guys are seriously not all drooling like the fellow Disney nerds you are?! Are you all dead? Do you know how cool this could possibly turn out? Do you realize how much respect WDI has for Pirates, how they waited and begged for the over 50 MILLION dollars this 'refurb' costs?! This is the coolest news I’ve heard in the last five years for Disneyland. If they do it right, it’s going to bring an old classic into a new generation’s hearts. Which is EXACTLY what Walt would’ve wanted to df COURSE I love the classic ride. Of COURSE. But do you know how many times I've seen young kids on the thing practically falling asleep, wanting to get off? Want to ride the old Pirates we currently have at Disneyland? Fine! Here's a plan for you: ride it every day from now until it closes forever next year to be updated, then after that, go to Tokyo and ride the nearly exact clone of the California version located right now in Tokyo Disneyland. You may be amazed to find out, not only is Tokyo’s almost exactly like ours (minus about two minutes of dark cave sailing) it’s also not dumbed-down. They have the women chasing pirates scene, and GASP, all their animatronics (down to every single last chicken) looks like the ride just opened. It’s spectacular. Heck, I’ve heard Paris’ is even snazzier, albeit different, with sword fighting and all. So, there you have it. Your cake and eat it too. We will have 4 distinctly different versions of Pirates, and in 2008, possibly a 5th, even more radically different one, in Hong Kong. But I’m willing to bet that Disneyland’s, if it turns out anything like what Al says, and what I've personally heard, will still be the "pirates of envy" for all the other parks. WDI wouldn’t have it any other way, believe me.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss The changes sound exciting, but as far as being the envy for all the other parks, I do have to say that WDI did an amazing job on DLP's; it's a tough act to follow, IMO.
Originally Posted By DisneyDaniel79 i, for one, wish that this doesnt happen... i LOVE the ride way too much and it sounds like they are catering to teenagers and adults, not creating something that the whole family can enjoy, because this new version sounds like it will scare kids... being based on a movie that will more than likely be rated pg-13. POTC is my favorite movie, and my favorite ride, i just hope they dont combine the two as they dont have a whole heck of a lot in common, if you think about it. i wish they would just update the AA's and take out the PC changes.
Originally Posted By 8ab I used to be a traditionalist, however after the amazing 50th Golden year I am all for change! We have loved and celebrated Disneyland this year as we have know it for the past 50 years, but now its time to bring it up to speed and add some variety. I'm sick and tired of hearing how great the attractions are at the other parks compared to DIsneyland, but we have the best atmosphere and charm. Lets balance that out and get some upadated attractions..
Originally Posted By belle42 OK, remind me again why we can't 'go retro' and change the chase scene back to the way it was since it's ok to sell women but not to chase them if they're not holding food...
Originally Posted By ilvdland I'm all for change, but I just wish any ride that Walt himself touched could stay the way he wanted it. I know, I know, that includes not making the ride PC. But to me those changes were so minor. And I know Walt would want things to be upgraded and all that, but since obviously he's not here, they should keep at least ONE thing the way he wanted it......
Originally Posted By Tiggirl I'm surprised to say that after reading Al's article I'm not super opposed to this idea. IF what he has said is going to happen, does happen, it really doesn't sound as bad as I imagined it to be. In fact (dare I say it?!) some things sound like some pretty cool upgrades. As always, I try to save finaljudgement until after I've seen the completed product but I think some cool things could come out of this.
Originally Posted By danyoung >...how they waited and begged for the over 50 MILLION dollars this 'refurb' costs?!< Where did this number come from? I don't think it was in the Al article. I can't imagine 50 mil just for an upgrade, especially one as moderate as this one will be.
Originally Posted By DLFAN79 im so glad there are 'fans' like Kayoss who still channel Eisners, Presslers, and Bravermans 'ghosts'. NO Kayoss Pirates did NOT get destroyes in '97. The men STILL chased women, but with FOOD. Not to mention MORE AAs were added that actually FIT IN.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Not to mention MORE AAs were added that actually FIT IN.> Actually, the 'World of Motion' AA figures don't really fit in very well at all. Especially the guys pulling the treasure up the lift hill. The original pirates have a sort of caricature type of face -- sort of hightened realism. The guys pulling and grunting, don't look like they're in the same family of characters.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I really wish they would totally GUT the WDW version of Pirates and make a whole new ride out of it.
Originally Posted By JBStew I'm squarely in the middle here. It may be my training as a history student that I deeply appreciate the opportunity to go on to attractions and think "This is how Walt Disney saw it." But this train of thought is highly romanticized. Walt never actually experienced Pirates as we do now, or even as it was when it first opened. And since he was gone before it opened, no one can be certain he wouldn't have been tinkering with it right up to the moment it opened and then beyond that. Change is a part of life and an intelligent thing for a theme park to consider when done well and with heart. I like and trust Matt Ouimet's apparent vision of the resort as a show rather than the Presslerized vision of "mega mall" (my opinion). There are technologies available now that could not have even been imagined 10even 20 years ago. I think, handled right, they could make Pirate as awesome to future generations as it was to the very first guests who experienced it. And in my opinion that would sit well with Walt. But since he isn't here, we have to give the current visionaries a shot at glory too.
Originally Posted By Capstan The original Pirates doesn't have a plot, except in the broadest sense: pirates attack town; pirates win; pirates burn town. The moral: grab the money and run! So, who is Jack Skeffingheimer (like anybody cares,) and how is anyone to understand this new "plot," unless they've seen the movies? Smells of marketing to me, unless, of course, they're trying to farther distance themselves from the sex issue. I say, bring back the wenches! And bring back the Peoplemover! These people, whoever they are, should stop trying to fix things that aren't broken, and do something original, without, of course, tearing apart what's classic. The land is there; they just have to figure out where it is. What's missing, of course, is leadership. If Walt did nothing else, he always surprised us; these people seem intent on doing the opposite. Booooooooriiiiiiiing!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<So, who is Jack Skeffingheimer (like anybody cares,) and how is anyone to understand this new "plot," unless they've seen the movies?>> You don't think the average guest will be able to ride an enhanced PoTC and not appreciate it without understanding the tie-in to the movie(s)? Tell you what, go find someone who hasn't seen any of the Indiana Jones films, ask them to ride Indy, and get back to me. For the record, I have never seen Song Of The South, and I like Splash Mountain.
Originally Posted By patrickegan "For the record, I have never seen Song Of The South, and I like Splash Mountain." Neither had I till just a couple of months ago and I think I’ll enjoy it more now that I’ve seen the movie but I like POTC the way it was before the movie. Not to Pooh, Pooh but I’m scared they’ll Nemo it or worse.
Originally Posted By pitapan16 50 MILLION dollars this 'refurb' costs?! If true, wow!..But I have to agree I'm totally excited about this news, period!
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster ilvdland wrote: "I'm all for change, but I just wish any ride that Walt himself touched could stay the way he wanted it. I know, I know, that includes not making the ride PC. But to me those changes were so minor. And I know Walt would want things to be upgraded and all that, but since obviously he's not here, they should keep at least ONE thing the way he wanted it......" POTC opened AFTER Walt died. He never saw it in its final state. Also, he never stated that any of the attractions he saw to completion should stay as they are forever. He was obsessed with change and improvement. I know it's pointless to speculate but were he alive today I highly doubt POTC would even exist at all. Change is a good thing. If nothing else it reminds us of the good things of the past.
Originally Posted By potc101 Help me out here: why is it NOT okay for a man to chase a woman in POTC, but, it's okay for a woman with a rolling-pin to chase a man, with the intent of beating the living crap out of him with the rolling-pin? Don't get it.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Political Correctness only applies to men..all others may act as they please. There really is no limit to how foolish and humor challenged the human race is!
