Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/" target="_blank">http://politicalticker.blogs.c nn.com/</a> If Huckabee wants to pander to the Christian right by saying this that's fine, but he's just become an abortion himself as far as I'm concerned, as long as we've throwing around wild hyperbole.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Huckabee's one shot at the nomination is being the evangelical candidate. For him, and his unique position in the pack, he's making a smark move.
Originally Posted By planodisney Speaking just to the topic at hand, and nothing else he said in the article, what is so crazy about that comment. Is it realy crazy if you think an unborn baby is a human life? I dont realy think so. So, if you believe an unborn baby is a human life, and we have"killed" over a million of them, what else would you like to call it? I will never understand the argument by people who say " I believe abortion is wrong and would never have one, but i dont believe we can force this opinion on everyone." Well, if you believe abortion is wrong, there can be 1 and only 1 reason you believe so. Because deep down you know there is a human being there. so, to hold this viewpoint, and say we should do nothing about it, is cowardly.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Hyperbole is slung! Huckabee isn't espousing a view that is particularly new or unique. Just google "abortion holocaust" and you will find that this field is already well developed. You can join organizations, buy T-shirts, read scholarly papers, or just hang out in chat rooms and issue thinly veiled death threats to those who won't recognize the importance of the sanctity of life. The reason many view abortion as a "holocaust" is because it involves the planned, government sanctioned death of millions of innocent individuals. (Huckabee certainly isn't the highest profile individual to take this view. That would be the Pope.) Others counter that using the word "Holocaust" diminishes the historic context of the word as it is generally understood today, ie: to describe the campaign against European Jewry by Germans from 1933-45. This is very well understood (unless you're the President of Iran). However one feels about the issue, it clearly incites passions, and does little to contribute to any kind of understanding. But hey, it's good for some votes!
Originally Posted By DlandDug And I am inclined to agree with gad that, for Hickabee at least, this is a smart move. He needs to do something to galvanize a base. But I am not sure that veering into Ann Coulter territory will do him good in the long run.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Is it realy crazy if you think an unborn baby is a human life?" Pretty much, yes. Especially if it's in the first trimester. "if you believe an unborn baby is a human life" Then you are deluded, and you are ignoring reality. There was just a study that showed in areas that have legal abortions, as opposed to those who don't, the number of abortions in the illegal areas are just as high as those in the legal ones. The only difference is that they are unsafe. It is this sort of mindless prattling of morality which kills people. In one thread, we have people who wouldn't give a kid a condom, in this one, we have someone who rails against safe medical procedures. All of these people need to sit down and think about what planet they are on. Maybe they will go to heaven and play bacci ball with jesus for enternity, but in the meantime, we live here, and we need to take care ouf ourselves and our children. "I believe abortion is wrong and would never have one" I don't believe it is wrong. I believe having a child you don't want is wrong. I also believe that if it is made illegal, you'll still have abortions, even the same amount, but they will be unsafe and uncontrolled. The only reason I find abortion to be wrong is that it is not a good form of birth control, as it is a surgical procedure. There are better ways of keeping yourself from having a baby rather than an abortion.
Originally Posted By friendofdd Is it possible to go one step further and say making babies you don't want is wrong?
Originally Posted By jonvn Of course it's wrong. Having a baby you have no intention of keeping? That is very sick.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "The reason many view abortion as a "holocaust" is because it involves the planned, government sanctioned death of millions of innocent individuals. (Huckabee certainly isn't the highest profile individual to take this view. That would be the Pope.)" Where I come from citing the Pope doesn't exactly give an opinion much weight. And that's the thing here. The first sentence here is an opinion. You might think it's fact, but I sure don't. I just don't see the type of abortion that I favor as the killing on innocent individuals. And the type I favor is one done in the first trimester. People like Huckabee and the Christian right want the picture painted of all abortions where some bimbo in month seven just decides to terminate because it isn't worth the hassle. Not to say that doesn't happen, but the vast majority of abortions are done as early as the ones I would allow.
Originally Posted By jdub >>what else would you like to call it?<< Well, a holocaust singles out an entire group for extinction. People who support abortion do not want to eliminate ALL pregnancies--just the inconvenient ones. So Huckabee's comment is a bad analogy, to say the least--but he has no hope of gaining the nomination, only of getting as much attention as he can, while he can. <<Of course it's wrong. Having a baby you have no intention of keeping? That is very sick.">> This comes of as a rail against adoption, but surely that's not how it was meant, yeah?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Where I come from citing the Pope doesn't exactly give an opinion much weight.<< I certainly didn't intend to offer "weight" for the opinion. Rather, I was pointing out that a lot bigger fish than Huckabee hold this view.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Rather, I was pointing out that a lot bigger fish than Huckabee hold this view." The Pope is a fish?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Of course it's wrong. Having a baby you have no intention of keeping? That is very sick.< I'm sure all the adopted kids in the world and the appreciative parents agree with you - sigh
Originally Posted By utahjosh The root problem is not abortion. It's the misuse of sex that leads to so many.
Originally Posted By barboy "People who support abortion do not want to eliminate ALL pregnancies--just the inconvenient ones" ---Sounds like a holocaustic approach to me. Let's do some substitution here: "People who support THE FINAL SOLUTION do not want to eliminate all of the population--just the inconvenient ones LIKE THE DEFORMED, MENTALLY RETARDED, GYPSIES, HOMOSEXUALS, POLITICAL DISSENTERS, ELDERLY/FRAIL/WEAK/PREGNANT JEWISH."
Originally Posted By jonvn It has nothing to do with adoption. It has to do with having a child that you don't want. That is sick behavior.
