Originally Posted By Mr X to protest the President and affordable health care. <a href="http://i542.photobucket.com/albums/gg402/DARinAZ/KKK1926.jpg" target="_blank">http://i542.photobucket.com/al...1926.jpg</a>
Originally Posted By Darkbeer And your point is? Looks like people want the Goverment to spend LESS!!! (YEA!)
Originally Posted By Mr X That right wingers can't read? Or perhaps don't know how to click on things?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>And your point is? Looks like people want the Goverment to spend LESS!!! (YEA!)<< So of course they marched against Bush and his out-of-control spending in Iraq. Right, Darkbeer? Since healthcare reform costs less than the wars Bush started. Right?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones $2.3 trillion was the cost of the Iraq war. Health care sounds like a bargain.
Originally Posted By barboy ///So of course they marched against Bush and his out-of-control spending in Iraq. Right, Darkbeer? Since healthcare reform costs less than the wars Bush started. Right?/// <----sits in the umpire's chair overlooking the court, leans closer to the mic and addresses the crowd, "ADVANTAGE ecdc"
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"to protest the President and affordable health care."<<< I LOVE living in the U.S. where we CAN protest. So what's your problem with it X?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>MORE AT THE LINK, Darkbeer. MUCH MORE!<< ROTFLMFAO! Nobody wants to click my links either, X. Meanwhile, I'm trying to decide if the one with the white shoes is Ann Coulter.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I LOVE living in the U.S. where we CAN protest. So what's your problem with it X?<< Just because people can protest doesn't mean they should protest. Protesting against providing the poor and the sick with healthcare seems pretty short-sighted to me.
Originally Posted By dlkozy No, they are not protesting against providing for the poor and the sick, they are protesting on the way it is being done. Any kind of rushed gov health care program will be a disaster. My question is what can we do in the meantime to provide care without it being this HUGE program swallowing us all?
Originally Posted By mawnck Real photos of the Million Honky March here: <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1213056/Up-million-march-US-Capitol-protest-Obamas-spending-tea-party-demonstration.html" target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...ion.html</a> *Real* news sites say the DC Fire Department estimates the crowd at 60 to 70 thousand, not 2 million.
Originally Posted By dlkozy This is the problem that I have with the gov wanting to create it's own health care system: The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years to get it right; it is broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it can't compete with private sector FedExp and UPS services. Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get it right; it is broke. Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they've had 71 years to get it right; it is broke. Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; it is broke. Together Fannie and Freddie have now led the entire world into the worst economic collapse in 80 years. The War on Poverty was started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our hard earned money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to mention them as models for all US health care. AMTRAK was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; last year they bailed it out as it continues to run at a loss! I would be excercising my rights as a US citizen if I lived close to Washington and would be protesting in the streets too.
Originally Posted By mawnck I'm a little confused, dlkozy. Define "broke." Those are government agencies. They're *supposed* to exist on tax money. They don't make profits, which I suppose means that yeah, they're broke. So what? General Motors had 101 years to get it right. They're broke and being bailed out by the government. Bank of America had 135 years to get it right. They're broke and being bailed out by the government. AIG had 90 years to get it right. They're broke and being bailed out by the government. So we sure don't want those dang businesspeople running our health care either, huh.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Hmmm, I had heard those "Tea Parties" were protesting both parties. Seems they were just there to make derogatory remarks and signs about the president.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I would be excercising my rights as a US citizen if I lived close to Washington and would be protesting in the streets too." It would be helpful to educate yourself on what you're protesting about before you hit the streets. "The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years to get it right; it is broke" Like most companies the U.S. Postal Service is struggling in the midst of a severe economic recession. It doesn't mean that the post office is fundamentally flawed. First of all, they do make a profit. <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/AIRDEF/idUSN3023635220080130" target="_blank">http://www.reuters.com/article...20080130</a> "The U.S. Postal Service reported on Wednesday a preliminary fiscal first-quarter profit of $672 million despite a decline in mail volume that caused revenues to fall $500 million short of expectations." The fact that they make a profit has actually been criticized by some (<a href="http://www.slate.com/id/1095/" target="_blank">http://www.slate.com/id/1095/</a>). Are they efficient? Based on all of my business with them, absolutely. They will mail your stupid letter no matter how insignificant for under 50 cents to anywhere in the United States. When faced with competition from email and other postal services, they got more efficient by improving sorting methods. "Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get it right; it is broke." Social Security will go broke by 2020-2040, depending on who you ask. It's a big problem exacerbated by the fact that people are living longer, getting older, and we are not pumping out enough babies (future earners) to sustain them all. I doubt the private sector could do a better job without a lot more inequality. "The War on Poverty was started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our hard earned money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked." Ask Brazil about their GINI coefficients and how that's working out for them. Scandinavian countries experience a lot more "confiscation" and experience a quality of life many consider to be higher than ours. Of course, our patriotism BS clouds our ability to see the US as anything other than TEH GREATEST NATION ON EARF!!!1 The United States isn't as bad as Brazil, but it's like we have pockets of 1st world and pockets of 3rd world all in one country. Hate income redistribution? Reagan's policies actually redistributed wealth from the middle class *to* the upper class. How about that? "Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to mention them as models for all US health care." Yeah, and yet senior citizens won't dare part with Medicare. Medicare is so awful that Bush signed one of the largest Medicare bills in history (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_Prescription_Drug,_Improvement,_and_Modernization_Act" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...tion_Act</a>). His father called it socialized medicine. Junior just wanted to get reelected. WHERE WERE THE PROTESTERS THEN?! "AMTRAK was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; last year they bailed it out as it continues to run at a loss!" Well, if you actually saw how Amtrak is operated, you'd never expect it to make a profit. They have *deliberately* starved it of funds so that it would hopefully never make a profit and go away. At least that was the plan in the 70s. Somehow it stuck around. Of course, other first world countries somehow manage to make their rail systems work. But America is car country and rail is socialist!
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "My question is what can we do in the meantime to provide care without it being this HUGE program swallowing us all?" Just copy other countries. <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sickaroundtheworld/" target="_blank">http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/...heworld/</a> It's an indisputable fact that countries like Japan, Germany and Switzerland spend less money on health care as a percentage of GDP and have better health statistics than us. What these countries are doing isn't perfect, but is undeniably better than what we are doing.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 ""Million Honky March"" <spit Coke on my monitor> Exact thoughts when I seen the news today. Well, I didn't call it that but the sea of white did not get past my mother or I.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Real photos of the Million Honky March here:" Come on, we don't call other people ethnic slurs around here. That's hypocrisy no matter what side you're on.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 - they've had 234 years to get it right; it is broke, and even though heavily subsidized, it can't compete with private sector FedExp and UPS services. Social Security was established in 1935 - they've had 74 years to get it right; it is broke. Fannie Mae was established in 1938 - they've had 71 years to get it right; it is broke. Freddie Mac was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; it is broke. Together Fannie and Freddie have now led the entire world into the worst economic collapse in 80 years. The War on Poverty was started in 1964 - they've had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our hard earned money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor"; it hasn't worked. Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 - they've had 44 years to get it right; they are both broke; and now our government dares to mention them as models for all US health care. AMTRAK was established in 1970 - they've had 39 years to get it right; last year they bailed it out as it continues to run at a loss! =============================================== And Obama screwed all this up. All of it. All his fault. This might be the most outrageous post of 2009.
