Originally Posted By Rebekah This topic is for discussion of the 7/16/2003 news item <b><a href="http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030716/film_nm/film_pirates_dc_1" target="_blank">HwdRptr: Disney Sets Sail on 'Pirates' Sequel</a></b> The <i>Hollywood Reporter</i> reports Disney has begun work on a sequel to <i>Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl</i>.
Originally Posted By kennect Wouldn't it be nice if Disney set back for a brief time before making this info public? Sure there was a great opening for the film but the public is so fickle things concerning the Box Office could turn against Disney within a blink of an eye...What bothers me most is the sort of cocky attitude with such an announcement that to me screams "We have a hit and we will milk it to the hilt"...I can see their need for greed at the moment but I would think it would be better to hold off for a while before making such announcements...If for no other reason but to keep the greed factor out of their plans...If the film is a true hit now a sequel announcement down the road won't hurt the potential box office of such...Of course my bigger concern is this constant idea that a hit film can be turned into a franchise that will pay huge bucks down the road as additional films are made...Do we really need a sequel to this film?
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Kennect, The in thing right now is to announce the sequal while the original is still in theatres, it helps generate buzz and let the people who haven't gone to the movies know, hey "this movie is so good a sequal is a must" Spider-Man 2 was announced 2 days after Spider-Man's blockbuster weekend. X3 was announced after X2 tore up the Box office. Nowadays studios look for franchises, and this is Disney's 1st legitimate franchise in awhile.(a non DTV franchise mind ya)
Originally Posted By kennect Koobar, That is what I am saying....You hit gold once why risk a second attempt...Take the risk on something else that also has the potential to be a hit....Guess they are still having a hard time coming up with new original scripts that are of value....And then again there is that pesky stock bit...They just can't seem to get it to go up...Consider me confused at the moment as to where Disney is headed long term...I don't think they even know at the moment...
Originally Posted By kennect William, I don't see a major franchise coming out of this film...Even though what you say is right I still don't see such happening...I truly think this is a one hit wonder for the moment and think Disney should treat it as such...But we all know better than that...If Disney were truly doing some great things right now I might have a different opinion...
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 This does has franchise written all over it. The WOM this movie is getting is excellent. Yahoo has it scored as an A+ with over 10,000 votes. Good WOM usually translates well for DVD sales and the sequal which will be more highly anticipated. Disney is having problems getting anything right, even if the sequal sucks bad it is guaranteed 100 million just because of the anticipation factor. So this is a win/win situation for Disney. Disney is not the first company to milk a franchise until its dead and they won't be the last. Hollywood is having sequalitis and franchise love right now. Disney is just following the flow.
Originally Posted By kennect William, As I said the public is "fickle"...You and I can catch up here a year or two down the road and discuss how well this sequel does when it shows up....I understand franchises and what they can mean but I am truly having a hard time into buy this one as such....When the box office hits over three hundred million domestic then I will believe such sequel is appropriate...
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Kennect, are you against sequals in general or are you against DISNEY doing sequals. Disney was going to do a sequal pretty much no matter how well this movie did. I am thankful the original cast is returning and its a big budget sequal and its not a Direct to Video release with cheezy CGI.
Originally Posted By Sir_Clinksalot We knew this was coming with they added the ":Curse of the Black Pearl" to the title. Now it won't be something stupid like "Pirates of the Carribean 2", it will be something like "Pirates of the Carribean:The Battle for New Orleans Square" or something like that. Shame on Disney for trying to make money ... (wishes LP had a rolling of the eyes smilie) ...
Originally Posted By kennect William, Not against sequels by any means....But I just don't feel there really is any reason to push such in this case....I just wish they had set back for a while to truly savor the film's success and then make such a statement...If Disney can make money off a sequel that would be great news...And if they can make a sequel that lives up to the original that is even better news...I just fear by the time a sequel is in the can that we the public will be looking for something else to entertain us....I know that they had plans for such before this film opened...I just don't see POTC becomming the next "Indianna Jones" type franchise....
Originally Posted By wahooskipper This is going to be similar to the Indiana Jones franchise. Lots of action, lots of fun, lots of money. There is nothing wrong with that.
Originally Posted By Daannzzz "Pirates of the Caribbean meets the Haunted Mansion" Coming to theaters. Christmas 2006.
Originally Posted By Jim in Pasadena CA <I just fear by the time a sequel is in the can that we the public will be looking for something else to entertain us....> You mean, like 'Lord of the Rings' 'The Matrix' 'Spiderman' or 'Indiana Jones'? 'Pirates of the Caribbean' is the first live action blockbuster hit for Walt Disney Pictures, possibly ever. On the contrary, by the time POTC2 hits theaters, we'll be good and ready to see what happens to Jack Sparrow and the rest of the pirates.
Originally Posted By Epcot82Guy I agree, Jim. As long as they take TIME to make it just as good, it will work. So often, producers rush a sequel through (American Pie comes to mind) to ride out the initial reaction, that is is just a rehash and requires seeing the first to make sense of the second. The most successful sequels stand on their own. I agree that it should be POTC:blah blah, not POTC2. I also think they need to wait until AT LEAST 2006. I DO think, though, that the story was well written enough that it could go in many different directions to explain the past more along with new future. This is what the Star Wars and Austin Powers legacies were both built upon. I guess what I am saying is make a new Pirates movie that just happens to use unanswered questions from the first as the basis for a story line. After all, people have been raving that this movie works b/c people don't have to have seen the attraction first. Shoudl be that people don't have to have seen Curse of the Black Pearl first.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 To say Star Wars films are stand alones? The only standalone film from all 5 is A New Hope. The other's you have to have seen the previous ones to understand. POTC will not be a standalone film. It won't make sense. The best sequals are the ones that build upon the previous movies Whereas I agree that American Pie 2 was a joke as a sequal. Godfather 2, Rocky 2, Temple of Doom etc, they all built on the 1st one to make the sequal even better. That is what needs to be done. With that being said, 2005 is going to be crowded for the summer with Indiana Jones 4, Star Wars Ep 3, X-Men 3 (rumor), and a few other blockbusters. So 2006 is when we will see the sequal in all likelyhood.
Originally Posted By kennect I am just saying that my fear is that Disney at this time will dumb down the whole thing to save a nickel where ever they can...And Jim, I just can't see the films you mention being compared to this one...I really don't see this film falling into the categories of what titles you mentioned....Call me crazy and weird but I just don't see it happening...As I said before when Pirates hits 300 mil at the domestic box office I will change my attitude about the chance of a sequel...I love the idea that Disney has a major hit and that they are having such a great year at the box office...But we are still dealing with Disney today that is very different from just a short few years ago...I almost want to laugh when I think back on the idea that I thought "Reign of Fire" was really going to be such a good film and a huge hit....
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Kennect, have you been following the daily box office totals? So far its made 7 million+ Mon- Wed, only 2 films have ever made 7 million for its first Mon-Thurs after its 1st weekend, Attack of the Clones and Spider-Man I have a feeling 300 million is becoming more and more likely its made 90 million so far while keeping a large portion of its audience throughout the week. To put it another way, only 1 other movie has done as good as POTC in its first full week drop wise. Drop meaning the % it lost from Sun to Mon and Mon to Tues etc. That film being Finding Nemo. Otherwise it is holding up better than any other film this summer.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Correction I meant 7 million per day not 7 million total for Mon - Thurs period.
