Originally Posted By Brad1 Just reported on Miceage - So I had predicted an X-wing spinner, Jedi Academy stage show and cantina restaurant. Now it looks like we won't even get that. Oh well.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Nothing was canceled. None of those things were likely being considered anyway. Oh, but I guess the rumors must be legit because everything you read online is true, right?
Originally Posted By phruby Too bad that is not how businesses work. You don't lay off everyone from every other project because your pet project is in the crapper. You fire the executives and managers that were on the over budget/ poorly managed budget. That article was nothing but giant leaps of conjecture.
Originally Posted By phruby Besides, I can't believe they are getting rid of the subs. It's a popular pixar ride that they can easily built a roller coaster on top of. Bring Al back! At least his "reports" are semi believable.
Originally Posted By oc_dean this has already erupted into a 8 page topic on Micechat, one of the later posts says - budgets for individual projects throughout a company are typically kept separate, and often keep truck'n along in development. If any of it is true ... I'm perfectly happy Monstropolis and turning TL into one giant Star Wars land ... both die a nice quiet death! I hated both ideas.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Nothing was canceled. None of those things were likely being considered anyway. Oh, but I guess the rumors must be legit because everything you read online is true, right?<< I'm sorry .. did you just steal that thought from my brain Hans? My exact sentiment. I've been having a hard time believing the columns from Miceage this year - regarding Monsters Inc, and Star Wars. Now ... "The so called CONFIRMED news from earlier this year - is now OFFICIALLY CANCELED." How convenient for Miceage.
Originally Posted By crazycroc Just read the article, and yup, the first thought I had was "How convenient that reports that were never considered credible anywhere else are now cancelled!" What a joke. The online equivalent of Cap'n Kidds. Cheap, barfy, and tricks people to go to it.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt They have a very spotty history of accuracy Dagobert. I'll let someone else give you the full story, but basically yes, the information they publish is often not credible and tends to feel more like gossip than actual news. The bloggers there have a peculiar and obsessive bias against Disney management which has led some to believe that the information is being fed to the editors from a disgruntled insider. With that said, I find the updates entertaining to read sometimes and occasionally their more modest predictions end up being spot on (ie: the return of Captain Eo), which is probably why they continue to have a following.
Originally Posted By Malin I certainly would take them with a grain of salt. The articles have severely decline in any real news since our friend Al stepped down from doing them some time a go... The latest column was set out to save face and scare people. This time it hasn't succeeded and many are starting to question the accuracy in what's being reported.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I certainly would take them with a grain of salt. The articles have severely decline in any real news since our friend Al stepped down from doing them some time a go... The latest column was set out to save face and scare people. This time it hasn't succeeded and many are starting to question the accuracy in what's being reported. <<< Good to know. I've just read through some comments beneath the article and there are indeed some critics.
Originally Posted By dagobert Judging from comments on Micechat and WDWMagic, most people believe the story.
Originally Posted By Malin I think that's more the case of people wanting to beleive the article because it gives them reason to go on the attack of Disney once again. Disney never promised anything more then its currently giving us. So why be angry at them when it was MiceChat that lied to the fan community. Everything announced by Disney is going ahead including Disney Springs, Avatar, Shanghai and Iron Man for Hong Kong. The only projects that are on hold are the ones that were announced by MiceChat.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I think that's more the case of people wanting to beleive the article because it gives them reason to go on the attack of Disney once again. Disney never promised anything more then its currently giving us. So why be angry at them when it was MiceChat that lied to the fan community. Everything announced by Disney is going ahead including Disney Springs, Avatar, Shanghai and Iron Man for Hong Kong. The only projects that are on hold are the ones that were announced by MiceChat. <<< Okay, now I get the whole thing. We will see what the future brings. By the way: It's been a long time, since I've seen you here.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>So does that mean that the MiceChat articles aren't very reliable?<< When Al Lutz was writing them, they seemed to have a pretty good record. At times, it was several months between updates, since he had no news to report. It seems that the current author(s?) is more interested in making a regular gossip column that's designed to create a big reaction from people. Given the writing style and hyper-defensive comments in the comment section, I suspect it's the same writing team behind their In The Parks column that runs on Fridays, which also makes very opinionated statements that they try to convey as fact, and focus on small details that most guests (even the internet nerds) don't care about or don't agree with (they're very pro-Duffy for example; most people just don't care about him). >>I find the updates entertaining to read sometimes and occasionally their more modest predictions end up being spot on (ie: the return of Captain Eo), which is probably why they continue to have a following.<< They were also the first ones to report on the Jingle Cruise overlay. Again, nothing major, and it wasn't announced very long before the official announcement (or even when the overlay happened), but they did get that one right. The bigger things that they've announced in the last 6-12 months, however, all seem like they're rapidly falling apart >>Judging from comments on Micechat and WDWMagic, most people believe the story.<< From what I've seen, most of the people who have bought into the recent updates are those who really wanted to see a specific project happen. Now that their preferred project is cancelled, they're buying into the reasoning behind it. The group who was skeptical about the new projects, or would have rather seen something else in those locations, is the one that is starting to call shenannigans on the whole series of rumor articles
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <So that means we should take the articles with a grain of salt?> You should take articles on any such site with several grains of salt. MiceAge got something of an inflated reputation (and avid followers) when Al Lutz was running it because he himself had avid acolytes (and avid detractors); obscuring the fact that sometimes he got things right, and sometimes he got things wrong (much like other such sites.) Whenever he got it right the Al acolytes trumpeted it to the sky; whenever he got it wrong, the detractors would do so - it was all kind of weird. There was a period in there where the right to wrong ratio increased; probably not because of anything Al/Miceage did, but because whoever was feeding them information had better information to feed. Now the ratio seems to be declining. But even when it was better, it was never 100%. The debate was why. Was some of the info good at the time it was fed, and then Disney changed their plans? Certainly this happens (and I guess it's what MiceAge is claiming in this recent case). Was the info they were fed a case of their source wanting to float his/her pet project to see what the fan community would say about it, perhaps hoping for a positive reaction that could sway his bosses? Possibly. Did some overlord at Disney intentionally feed a bad rumor hoping to see where leaks were coming from? Who knows. Some of the theories got very cloak and dagger - you'd think we were talking Wikileaks or something. Bottom line: no such site should be taken without a grain or three of salt.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Was some of the info good at the time it was fed, and then Disney changed their plans?<< >>Was the info they were fed a case of their source wanting to float his/her pet project to see what the fan community would say about it, perhaps hoping for a positive reaction that could sway his bosses?<< >>Did some overlord at Disney intentionally feed a bad rumor hoping to see where leaks were coming from?<< Stop making sense! It's the conspiracy theories, and the "plans got changed, therefore MICEAGE ARE LIARS!" thing that I find hilarious. It's a rumor site. You get what you get. (Memo to Miceage: Your credibility would be helped a LOT if we knew who was writing the articles.)
Originally Posted By Kidz-n-k9s I really had no idea of Duffy's existance until Dr. Hans posted a pic on LPLive with him on his last trip and then I had to google Duffy to figure out why. He's a cute bear and all, but I really don't understand why he is necessary. Back to the topic: I didn't read the udpated Mice Age article, but I do remember from our last discussion that this rumor for Monstropolis came along as the test ballons were raised in that area. Could 'something' still be in the works, just not the extreme that was orginally thought? I would love to have 'something' in that area as it is such a waste of space. As much as I enjoy standing in line for my free Disney Visa photo voucher right next to the smokers, I really think that space could be more...
