Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Well K2M, if a tragedy such as losing your home or perhaps your business were to happen to you, and then the buzzards arrived to steal even more than the tragedy did from you-what would you like to see happen to them?>> I would like to see them go to jail. Just like I would have wanted the New Orleans looters go to jail. You just don’t go killing people for stealing a loaf of bread, some sneakers, or even a TV. Doing so wouldn’t make you as bad as them, it would make you worse. You get so up in arms about how they are here illegally. The great majority of these people just want to work. Instead of making that illegal why not adopt the temporary work permits proposed by Bush? Instead you have criminalized an entire group of people just for being here. As others have pointed out, what incentive do they have to lead good lives if we term them criminals just for living? Frankly you guys scare me. Just as well. It will keep me from ever moving to CA, and it sounds like you have more than enough people there anyway.
Originally Posted By pecos bill Is is apparent to me that anyone who would openly condone a mass illegal immigration into their own country is either blatantly ignorant or so isolated from the repercussions that they just dont give a damn. Those of us who have seen the wages lowered and the benefits disappear have a much different view. Those of us who have had our career options cut in half, have a much different view. Those of us who have seen the Mexican flag flying above our own, in an obvious thumbing of the nose, have a much different view. And because we dont like these things, we must surely be racists. Sit there in your condo in Aspen, your cattle ranch in Montana, or your cubicle in Santa Ana and try to understand what can make others feel the way they do.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip In Minnesota we certainly don't have the numbers of illegals that California does, but for a relatively small Midwestern state we have a fair number. Minnesota has 60,000 illegals. By comparison the surrounding states have: Iowa 24,000 North Dakota less than 3,000 South Dakota less than 3,000 Wisconsin 41,000 Source: <a href="http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pagename=research_research9605" target="_blank">http://www.fairus.org/site/Pag eServer?pagename=research_research9605</a> So it is not like the situation does not exist in Minnesota. I never said you were racist. I think some of you seem intolerant, but I'm not so sure it is based on race. I think California has a helluva lot of problems since initiative and referendum came to town; and rather than blaming yourselves for doing something so stupid it is a lot easier to place the blame elsewhere. Like on the illegals.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"I would like to see them go to jail..."<< Then be willing to pay for them to be in jail in YOUR state! You do NOT pay for the HUGE amount of illegals that we have here in the state of CA. I am tired of supporting the endless supply that floods our state every year. When I am struggling to put 3 kids through college without their having to use student loans, I will be darned if I am going to support a bill that allows illegal aliens to receive scholarships here in CA! And as far as sounding tough on illegals-YOU BET I AM! My Grandmother came here LEGALLY-she did ALL that was asked of her! She not only had to have a command of the ENGLISH language, she had to have a certain amount of cash in the bank, an American sponsor, illness free, and a job that was waiting for her. She then had so much time to become an American citizen. AND she had to wait her turn IN LINE to go through the process! I will not turn a blind eye to those that think that they are above the law, can skip over others, or feel that they have a right to benefits that American Citizens have!
Originally Posted By jonvn "why not adopt the temporary work permits proposed by Bush?" This sounds like it is the most logical solution. I don't know why we don't do this. If people can legally be here to just do what we want them to anyway, so much crime would simply evaporate. And supposedly, this fire's intensity really was helped along by global warming, at least this is what some are saying. The thing is that some fairly urban areas got burned. Not out in the boondocks someplace, but kind of right in town.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Then be willing to pay for them to be in jail in YOUR state! You do NOT pay for the HUGE amount of illegals that we have here in the state of CA." He lives in California, too.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder >"Then be willing to pay for them to be in jail in YOUR state! You do NOT pay for the HUGE amount of illegals that we have here in the state of CA." He lives in California, too.< Whoops. I thought you were yelling at K2M.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'm as much against illegals as anyone. I see them bleed our system dry every day in my job. But getting mad at them, much less shooting them for heaven sake, isn't going to solve the problem. I don't blame them for coming here and trying to make a better life for themselves, especially when our government does nothing of consequence to stop them. If you want to get mad and rant and rave, them throw out the bums in office who allow this to happen and elect someone who will.
Originally Posted By dlkozy I am for ALL looters to be shot on sight-not just the looters during this current disaster in L.A. Mayor Nagin (New Orleans) went so far as to say that officers did not have to bother with Civil rights or Miranda rights in the stopping of looters. I agree with that-one of the FEW things that I agree with him with. SPP-looters and illegal aliens are 2 seperate issues. And I find it interesting that when you voice your opinions they are just that opinions-when someone else does the same, they "rant and rave". Hmmmm.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>If you want to get mad and rant and rave, them throw out the bums in office who allow this to happen and elect someone who will. "<<< And who do you think could do that job? Obviously it isn't a Clinton-they were in office for 8 years and did nothing to tighten borders or handle immigration.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And I find it interesting that when you voice your opinions they are just that opinions-when someone else does the same, they "rant and rave". Hmmmm." You're using all caps to get your point and you're advocating suspending the law in favor of shooting on sight. I'd call that ranting and raving. I'd suggest your anger is misdirected.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And who do you think could do that job? Obviously it isn't a Clinton-they were in office for 8 years and did nothing to tighten borders or handle immigration." Who mentioned Clinton? There's a few Republicans who are hard core against illegals. Check them out.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder One last thing in shoot to kill- The Constitution has something to say about this. There's due process of course, but no one should be killed for theft. Theft is not a capital offense. Plus, the Supreme Court has handed down a multitude of cases regarding cruel and unusual punishment. Just yesterday, the court in Georgia released someone who received a "cruel and unusual" punishment for consensual oral sex with a minor. The same principles apply here.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Mayor Nagin (New Orleans) went so far as to say that officers did not have to bother with Civil rights or Miranda rights in the stopping of looters. I agree with that-one of the FEW things that I agree with him with.** Yup, just throw those civil liberties out the door when it's inconvenient. God, the things some people say are downright CREEPY when it comes to this stuff. America is so done.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut when the theft will lead to the many deaths of innocent people I believe they should be shot. You take a incubator - you get shot you take blood from a blood bank - you get shot you take medical supplies that could go to making other people well - you get shot when you steal a stop sign and that could lead to a fatal car accident - you get shot
Originally Posted By peeaanuut << But getting mad at them, much less shooting them for heaven sake, isn't going to solve the problem.>> but it sure would make some of us feel better. For that moment at least.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Well K2M, if a tragedy such as losing your home or perhaps your business were to happen to you, and then the buzzards arrived to steal even more than the tragedy did from you-what would you like to see happen to them?>> I don't know, maybe jail perhaps and then deportation? But naaah, I like these idea's a whooole lot better, let's just get some rope (assuming they didn't steal that too) and lynch them in the stadium during the half time game. The rest of the world will understand, no need for rule of law and all that. YEEE HAAAW!
Originally Posted By peeaanuut are you saying their was law during that time? There was no law, there was no order. Why do people feel the need to be decent to those that step outside the lines of decency? The time for honoring yourself is over.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney No offense, but some of you people are SCARING ME!!!! Are people actually saying its okay to shoot people on the street for taking an incubator? Should we cut off the hands of children who steals a sandwich from a homeless man? How about just torturing someone if his crime is so bad as taking the drugs from a hospital? Too far? I guess as long as the line is just stopping at just shooting them though... Honestly, when DB made this post, I thought it was just going to be a free-for-all illegal bashing, but it has turned waaaay darker than I imagined. Anyway, if this is the America you guys want, fortunately I can say you will NEVER get it lol, even with Bush in charge . But hey, here's an idea, if you REALLY want to see petty crimes treated with some of the harshest ways imaginable, move to North Korea. They DO hang people for stealing, no REALLY, they do!! If you don't get that as a penalty, they send you to a labour camp to live out your punishment for stealing something as simple as a loaf of bread. And what's even BETTER you ask?? NO immigration problem lol. Z-E-R-O!!! No one is trying to sneak into North Korea, trust me. Matter of fact, everyone is sneaking OUT to down here in South Korea, so if you are looking for a way to kill (litterally) two birds with one stone, you found your paradise people!!! Kim Jung Ill himself might even greet you at the airport! (BTW, this thread is DISGUSTING!!!!)
