Originally Posted By Mr X **You take a incubator - you get shot you take blood from a blood bank - you get shot you take medical supplies that could go to making other people well - you get shot when you steal a stop sign and that could lead to a fatal car accident - you get shot** Gonna have to form a quick committee to assess the potential lifesaving value of stolen goods there. What if the incubator was broken? What if it were aids tainted blood? What if it were medical mariju...er, won't go there. And heck, if you start shooting all the kids that ever removed a potentially important road sign...wow. That'd be just about the rootinest shootinest country in the whole wide world!
Originally Posted By Mr X **How about just torturing someone if his crime is so bad as taking the drugs from a hospital? Too far?** Maybe just waterboarding, if you don't wanna to "too far".
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<anarchy lovin dalmatians>> Let's just hope those dalmatians aren't caught taking a bathroom break on the wrong grass because they will get a fate worse than Cruella De Vil could give them in the new world order. Oh yeah, luckily Cruella will probably be shot on sight for the stealing and harming of animals or whoever PETA defines as harmful to other animals, so the pups can now cross that burden off thier list.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Maybe just waterboarding, if you don't wanna to "too far".>> Hmm, I don't know, maybe we should check with the others who are here as well and see their thoughts and make sure that would be okay? I checked, nooo problemo ;D.
Originally Posted By Mr X The UN Convention Against Torture, which the United States ratified in 1994 [2], says in Article 2: "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture." However, Cheney said in an interview with Scott Hennen "Hennen: "...And I've had people call and say, please, let the Vice President know that if it takes dunking a terrorist in water, we're all for it, if it saves American lives. Again, this debate seems a little silly given the threat we face, would you agree?" Cheney: "I do agree. And I think the terrorist threat, for example, with respect to our ability to interrogate high value detainees like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, that's been a very important tool that we've had to be able to secure the nation. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed provided us with enormously valuable information about how many there are, about how they plan, what their training processes are and so forth, we've learned a lot. We need to be able to continue that." Hennen: "Would you agree a dunk in water is a no-brainer if it can save lives?" Cheney: "Well, it's a no-brainer for me, but for a while there I was criticized as being the vice president for torture. We don't torture. That's not what we're involved in." So, I guess we sort of unsigned that pesky UN doc there... Let the waterboarding commence! (hey guys, before you shoot all these looters, be sure to fulfill your patriotic duty and torture them first!)
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Okay, I think its safe to say me and Mr. X have offically taken a thread about illegal aliens stealing food into waters lol!!!!
Originally Posted By WorldDisney WOW, talk about timing!! I'm watching that documentary show '30 days' here in Korea and its about a guy who believes in STRICT immigration and a minuteman living with a family of illegal immigrants in L.A. Just started! I think I will watch this now ;D.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Meanwhile, back in the real world: <<San Diego police responded to a call about alleged theft from the evacuation center and encountered six people in a van who didn't speak English and didn't have California driver's licenses, Foreman said. The police officers called the Border Patrol, who arrived at the stadium and made the arrests, he said. Foreman said the immigrants admitted they were Mexican citizens and that they were stealing.>> Looks to me like the theives were arrested and not killed.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Looks to me like the theives were arrested and not killed.>> Uh, yeah we know that and until I started reading this thread, I thought simply arresting people for something like this seem to work just fine. But, there now seems to be some vigliant justice from some posters out there who thinks food and water from other justifies an execution. WOW!!!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Over time, when shoot to kill orders have actually been carried out, there has been some hard-core 'splainin' done when people were shot first without being questioned, and then it's discovered they were coming back for their own things.
Originally Posted By pecos bill I certainly would not condone martial law, and shoot to kill orders except under the most extreme situations. In the case of these bottom feeders who stole the supplies, well, I could see taking them backstage and beating the snot out of them. Then deport them to North Korea!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Let's be sure here- no one is condoning what happened, but shooting them? Please.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Should we cut off the hands of children who steals a sandwich from a homeless man?" Of course, not, because the homeless man should have been executed in the first place.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip (BTW, this thread is DISGUSTING!!!!) But very informative. It certainly gives some insight into the mental makeup of those most opposed to illegals. Kind of blows their credibility right out of the water as far as I'm concerned. In my 55 years on this planet one of the lessons I've leaned is never to listen to someone who is foaming at the mouth.
Originally Posted By jonvn God, you're old. You can be in AARP now. But I agree with you. The illegal aliens are here to do work, and people are more than willing to have them do it. What they don't like is that they speak mostly spanish instead of english, and tend to look at mexico as their country instead of this one. Their loyalties are to mexico. Often when a crime is ocmmitted by one of these people they flee back to mexico. And the thing is that they are going to do this because they ARE mexicans, and we have made it so they can not be an average person here. By criminalizing them, we have made them outcasts by definition, on the fringe of society. But the funny thing is, when they have children, and they are citizens, they speak english, they go to school, and they become architects, doctors, engineers, and everything else like anyone else. The problems with illegal aliens would evaporate if we did two things: 1) Allow them in on a work visa. This would assure them having rights and not being an automatic criminal. Give the visa to anyone who isn't a criminal. 2) Allow our police to pursue into mexico, to prevent criminals from taking refuge there. The problem then goes away.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"You're using all caps to get your point and you're advocating suspending the law in favor of shooting on sight. I'd call that ranting and raving. I'd suggest your anger is misdirected."<<< There you go exaggerating again, SPP-show me one post where, to quote you, "all caps" were used? I emphasized the word I wanted to use by caps-but get your facts straight.
Originally Posted By dlkozy I am all for people taking the LEGAL approach to immigration. But that is NOT what we are being overrun by. >>>"criminalizing them"<<< They criminalize themselves by taking the illegal approach. The amount of money that our school district is paying for illegal alien's education is staggering. And we are paying staggering amounts for their healthcare, (much more expensive in a hospital emergency room than a Dr.office), our criminal system, etc. I am stunned that our last 2 presidents have turned a blind eye at the border and both have failed miserably in regards to immigration.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"Let's be sure here- no one is condoning what happened, but shooting them? Please"<<< When Martial Law is enacted, (and yes, I know that it was not with this circumstance), looters might want to think more than twice before they act.
