Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-dems-in-2005-51-vote-nuclear-option-is-arrogant-power-grab-against-the-founders-intent/" target="_blank">http://www.breitbart.tv/obama-...-intent/</a> Very interesting set of clips of folks like President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton from 2005 Basically, well, it is unfair since we are the minority... Here is one simple quote from Senator Biden. >>I pray God when the Democrats take back control we don't make the kind of naked power grab you are doing."<< But I guess when you are in control, you don't have to do the Bi-partisan effort, even if the President ran on that policy when he was trying to get elected....
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy What do you suggest hasn't been bi-partisan about the current administration's efforts? Well, there's the fact that the GOP has voted no on virtually everything -- even legislation where they provided significant input (i.e. recovery act). The partisanship is all coming from one side as far as I can tell. If anything, I wish the Democrats would stop trying to work with the GOP and just run over them like a freight train. Sadly, nothing like that has happened at all.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer So, SG, do you disagree with all those Democrats in the Video, and that the Senate should be DIFFERENT than the House of Representatives?
Originally Posted By Mr X The fact that for over a year the Democrats have foolishly conceded practically EVERYTHING they wanted, in exchange for exactly no votes like a bunch of suckers, only to have the likes of Darkbeer chime in about their "lack" of bipartisanship, is so absurd I'm literally laughing. Darkbeer, do you REALLY think like that? Is your reality so amazingly skewed that's what you actually see? Or are you just a cynical liar?
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy I am just fine with the structure for the House and Senate set up in the Constitution. I don't think the filibuster rules are being currently enforced in a way that results in the Senate living up to its Constitutional responsibilities. If you are going to filibuster, you should have to expend the hot air for hours on end in the Senate chamber to fulfill that filibuster. Otherwise, it's just obstruction, not debate.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Gee, who just posted about Scott Brown in another thread??? No votes???? Gee, let me quote from my e-mail, this one from Rush Limbaugh... >>"At no time yesterday did I say I hate Scott Brown. In fact, I said I'm not surprised. He's from Massachusetts. He's gotta do this occasionally. He's gotta get reelected in two years." -Rush<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer ANd let me add, I see Scott Brown as a "moderate" Repulican, just as much as many Democrats are called "Blue Dogs". I am almost positive that Senator Brown won't vote for the Health Care Bill, since that was one of the major points he made while campaigning. But just like Senator Lieberman, someone who might agree with one side or the other on occasion. But the points made in the video by the Democrats in the OP, Moderation, Bi-Partisan, coming to a mutual agreement, where were they in the last 18 months?
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << I am almost positive that Senator Brown won't vote for the Health Care Bill, since that was one of the major points he made while campaigning. >> And yet, Scott Brown voted in favor of the health care bill in Massachusetts -- a bill that is more progressive than the one being proposed by either the House or Senate. So, why wouldn't he vote for the same bill in Congress? Could it be partisanship? Don't you see the hypocrisy?
