Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Here's what I'm wondering....In WDW's MK, is the "Toonification" of Tomorrowland necessarily a bad thing? To be honest, since Epcot came about in 1982 I've always put FutureWorld as a park devoted more completely to a real Tomorrowland than the land in the MK. (Though enough of Epcot is going to 'toons as it is) The MK is all about magic and fantasy. So "tooning it" fits? Disneyland on the other hand doesn't have a separate Epcot park. So the Toonification of it's Tomorrowland is more of an issue.
Originally Posted By DLFAN1979 OF COURSE NOT! This is completly against what Walt and WED and WDI had planned for TL over a 50 year span. We went from TL '55 to A World on the Move, which was the ULTIMATE TL, then the TL w/ Star Tours and Eo and America Sings. Then TL'98 which looking back NOW, was not THAt bad, considering OURS. and MK got teh Future That Never Was. All of these reinvented or reinforced teh concept of TL and the attractions all seemed to tie in. UNTIL NOW.... First w/ cartoon toy robots, then w/ annoying aliens, and now w/ Monsters who have NO BUSINESS being there. THEY DO NOT FIT. THEY DO NOT HELP THE THEME PERIOD! This is just Rasulo and Weiss shoving things in to make the parks "global" and WDI running out of ideas. This is a disgrace to the orignal concept and as far as im concerend TL is now DEAD. IF DL opened the Rocket Rods again theyd have the BEST TL.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> This is a disgrace to the orignal concept and as far as im concerend TL is now DEAD << Hey, don't sugar coat it.....
Originally Posted By mickey_ring My kids think its great, but they don't have the same WDW experiences that I do. I remember the 1970s Disney World where character based attractions were mostly in Fantasyland. DVDs, video games and Disney Channel cartoons make the characters stay popular longer than when I was a kid.
Originally Posted By a1stav I loved the concept of the '94 TL. But now I feel that they are loosing that theme. Anyway "Monster's Inc." will be better then a shutterd "Timekeeper".
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>Is it OK to "Toonify" MK's Tomorrowland?<< Very simply ....... No. The "MK" parks are not designed to cater kids only. Not everybody (teens/adults/seniors) are into cartoons. To me it shows a lack of imagination .. that WDI has officially run out of ideas.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA What made Disneyland so cool to me were the sections that DID NOT have cartoon characters associated with them. The characters would show up occasionally in these lands, but full-on rides were not dedicated to them. 'Finding Nemo' in the Submarine Voyage gets a big 'huh?' from me. As does 'Buzz Lightyear's Spin' As does 'The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh' [how does that fit in Critter Country again?]
Originally Posted By ChiMike Absolutely agree. At first it was hard to get too worked up about Buzz in MK's WDW. That location has underperformed since it's inception. I think the problem is that, like all things Disney, it has been overdone and abused in favor of a short-term cash-in. Add Stitch, Mike & Sully to Jim's list with the potential of more animated features finding a home in the carousel footprints of both TLs and it certainly looks like this issue is here to stay. I also don't find comfort in Future World presence. Not when it's vibe is more fragmented than DCA. Future World and Tomorrowland can and should coexist. The problem is both are severely lacking what once made them come off better. IMO.
Originally Posted By rhodisney I think this shows a lack of imagination to develop attractions simply for the marketability of them. It seems the imagineers are just designing around anything they can sell a pin or stuffed animal from. It is true that not everyone enjoys a ride associated with an animated character, but I also hate to see wasted space in Tommorowland.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I think it is unacceptable. I love the 50's Sci-Fi comic book theme and I don't mind one or two attractions based on animated films as long as the subject matter fits (aliens, heavy Science fiction, futuristic) but to just totally overdo the land with cartoon rides such as Monsters Inc, Cars, Incredibles coupled with Stitch (which sucks), and Buzz lightyear is totally unacceptable.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN While I agree DCA should be renamed "Disney's Pixar Adventures", I am against any Tomorrowland being toonyfied. Or else, change the Tomorrowland moniker to something else..like Pixarland.
Originally Posted By gaston lives I'm torn on the subject. I've always enjoyed the characters, but I really think that Monsters, INC. has NO place being in Tomorrowland. It just doesnt' make sense. That being said, I have no problem with Buzz Lightyear's Spin being in the TL. It's a good ride, and it fits in with the space mentality. Stitch, well, that's just a weird mentality that won't last long. It's a surefire thing that CARS will now take over the Tomorrowland Speedway. It's just a matter of time. As long as they keep the main theme the same (kids driving cars), then I won't worry too much about it. I've never been a big fan of the speedway, anyway. I was a huge fan of 20K, and now that Nemo is going in at DL, I'm getting used to the idea. I hate the Pooh's Playground, though. They need to keep it real. Before too long, everything is going to get away from the greatness that made DL/WDW so awesome. Theming with and without characters made it a fun day for everybody involved... Remember the Golden Horseshoe Review? MEET WOODY, PEOPLE!!! Oy....
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Yeah, I do wish Disney had the guts to come up with a non-film based attraction. Yes, Expedition Everest has been the only recent example. I used to love the non-cartoon attractions in both WDW and DL's Tomorrowlands. It was something I had no concept of beforehand. The "toon" thing though, is hard. People are familiar with the characters already, so they go in with SOME kind of expectation. You expect Stitch or Buzz to act a certain way. Whereas an entirely new attraction, like Pirates, Country bear Jamboree, or Journey into Imagination just surprise you because everything is new. I would LOVE to see Disney take on a new tale and not rely on the old crutch of animated characters. Those belong in Fantasyland, Toontown, or Disney Studios.
Originally Posted By MinnieSummer I've got to say that I want TL to be about TOMORROW not the movies. Buzz I can handle because it ties in to the idea of futuristic space travel, even Stitch (as horrible as it is) ties in because of the space travel. But Monster's just doesn't do it. However, on the flip side, I never got the connection of the Speedway in TL either and everyone seems to love that -- the lines are always long. I think the WDI needs to push aside all movie related character connections (as they loose popularity anyway) and come up with something unique -- use Minnie and Mickey if they have to have characters but make it new and different.
Originally Posted By gaston lives I think the idea with the speedway is that kids will be driving IN THE FUTURE...so, it's futuristic to them. Just a thought.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy The only reason I bring this thread up is because I'm wondering what is so sacred about Tomorrowland as it differs from the other lands? They're all in the Magic Kingdom. Aren't they all about fantasy and wonder, only themed to a particular movie or theatrical aspect? Why does Tomorrowland have to be less fantasy, more serious, just because it's future?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I never got the connection of the Speedway in TL either and everyone seems to love that -- the lines are always long.>> It's pretty simple: kids want to drive a car.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Remember folks - monsters = horror. Horror is often tied in with Sci Fi. Sci Fi = Tomorrowland. Could that be the rationale?
