Originally Posted By TomSawyer <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11179719/site/newsweek/" target="_blank">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11 179719/site/newsweek/</a> (From the article "Newly released court papers could put holes in the defense of Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, I. Lewis (Scooter) Libby, in the Valerie Plame leak case. Lawyers for Libby, and White House allies, have repeatedly questioned whether Plame, the wife of White House critic Joe Wilson, really had covert status when she was outed to the media in July 2003. But special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed done "covert work overseas" on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA "was making specific efforts to conceal" her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge's opinion."
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Tom, your confused again on this. Plame was not covert, she was not undercover, she was about as top secret as a gay parade in Frisco. She was classified. How many times do we have to go over this?? Now your saying " It's official!! " Ha! You realize that this is " scandal " number 1005 for the dems that is going to go up in plames.... er.. flames. She was CLASSIFIED and Fitzgerald is going to get blown out of the water by the Libby defense team. Do you realize that Fitzgerald never even got to the bottom of Plames CIA status during his investigation?? What an idiot. The FIRST thing you do is make a few calls to the CIA and see if she was covert and if there was a national security leak. The real liar in all of this is Joe Wilson.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer It's in one of the judge's opinions in the case, Beau. She was covert. The judge looked at the facts presented by both sides and came to the conclusion that she was covert.
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Originally Posted By Beaumandy You guys are not presenting the information correctly and I don't have time for my usual Tom / STPH smackdown. But I will be back soon.
Originally Posted By bboisvert <<But I will be back soon>> Cue suspenseful but sinister music.... da, da, DUUUUUUMMMMM.......
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>You guys are not presenting the information correctly and I don't have time for my usual Tom / STPH smackdown.<< LOL! I've never seen either one of them smacked down by you. They usually do a fairly good job of setting fire to your straw men and trouncing your bumper sticker "logic."
Originally Posted By woody Her covert status isn't relevant to the charges. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/10/28/leak.probe/" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITI CS/10/28/leak.probe/</a> "Libby resigned Friday after a federal grand jury indicted him on five charges related to the leak probe: one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury and two counts of making false statements." HOWEVER, if her covert status was relevant, is it also relevant that her status wasn't officially known until NOW? You have to wonder if there wasn't enough concern. <a href="http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/ osc/documents/libby_indictment_28102005.pdf</a>
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh The judges opinion was based on a footnote in an August 27, 2004, affidavit by Fitzgerald, which said: "If Libby knowingly disclosed information about Plame's status with the CIA, Libby would appear to have violated Title 18, United States Code, Section 793 [the Espionage Act] if the information is considered "information respecting the national defense." In order to establish a violation of Title 50, United States Code, Section 421 [the Intelligence Identities Protection Act], it would be necessary to establish that Libby knew or believed that Plame was a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal and who had carried out covert work overseas within the last 5 years. To date, we have no direct evidence that Libby knew or believed that Wilson's wife was engaged in covert work." Libby's defense team asked Fitzgerald for "All documents, regardless of when created, relating to whether Valerie Wilson's status as a CIA employee, or any aspect of that status, was classified at any time between May 6, 2003 and July 14, 2003." In his responses to the Libby team, Fitzgerald said he had no such documentation, and refused to say whether he knew if Plame had been an undercover agent during the five years preceding her exposure.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder And here the entire link from which Dou got his info. <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200602060919.asp" target="_blank">http://www.nationalreview.com/ york/york200602060919.asp</a> They're grasping at straws. To which, the reply will be "nonsense", but let's just say if this is the best spin they can do, they're in trouble and they know it. I know, "nonsense". Surrre.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh If Fitzgerald has documents that prove Plame was covert, then he should fess up and turn them over. Otherwise, he should admit she was not.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer And you guys still dance around the fact that if she wasn't covert, the investigation would never have happened to begin with.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Then why have the investigation if the fundamental complaint - that a covert CIA agent was outed - isn't a fact? Seems to be a given to everyone who doesn't have their lips on the president's wallet area.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Then why have the investigation if the fundamental complaint - that a covert CIA agent was outed - isn't a fact?> Government efficiency in action.
Originally Posted By RandySavage Classified? Covert? Laws broken or not? None of it matters. All that matters is whether or not you believe the Bush administration fabricated (or grossly exaggerated) the threat of Saddam's WMD program in order to build support for the invasion, and then tried to punish/discredit any dissident voices. To me, the truth couldn’t be any clearer. Bush/Rove have a long, documented history of character assassination tactics (even against Party allies like John McCain and Paul O’Neill). A psychologist will tell you that the vast majority of people who are duped in scam or sexually/physically abused never report it. The reason being that the victim is ashamed and afraid of how weak they would appear if the truth came out. Well, Americans were duped by the present administration in 2002. Many Americans are still too afraid to face their own weaknesses and failures at that time.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Dream on. The "long, documented history of character assassination tactics" of Bush and Rove is a liberal fantasy.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder >>"long, documented history of character assassination tactics" of Bush and Rove is a liberal fantasy. << You're really becoming a parody of yourself. Tell the above to John McCain, for atarters. Oh yeah, all that never happened.... LMAO.
