Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <There are plenty of die hard trekkies out there, willing to spend a fortune on their (understandable) obsession but this one really takes the cake. King Abdullah of Jordan, who was once an extra on Star Trek: Voyager, has apparently just committed $1.5 Billion to building a Star Trek theme park in the gulf state.> <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/237605/jordan_to_build_15_billion_star_trek_theme_park.html?tk=out" target="_blank">http://www.pcworld.com/article...l?tk=out</a>
Originally Posted By avimagine He should just build it in Michigan, the country is home to ST and this state has lots of cheap land and lots of labour etc.
Originally Posted By avimagine You don't like the Sarajavo look through tracts of it? GP, etc are still nice. Plus in Mi you wouldn't have to purchase expensive land by the Golden Gate bridge, since no where else in Ca would have the same affect
Originally Posted By Manfried The Enterprise was built in Kansas in the Star Trek Universe. I suppose that could be reinvented too.
Originally Posted By avimagine That would be a further drive for me so Vulcan AB would probably love the park as well.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Jordan is pretty stable, and already has some great tourist attractions. I hope it happens, I will then be there.
Originally Posted By u k fan If you live in the UK there's only one Jordan you could mistake that headline for and it would be a heck of a rollercoaster!!!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I think what is improtant here is that there is a high demand for theme parks. So why isn't Disney doing more with their theme parks? Disney could easily add more rides/attraction to EPCOT, DHS, DAK and still build another gate.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Problem is, the target markets for the developments in Dubai and Jordan are not so welcomely received at Orlando International. I have many muslim friends in the UK contacting me for advice about the parks and they opt for DLP or HKDL to avoid deling with the US Homeland Security and the prejudices there. I think WDW is largely built out. People are going there anyway so Disney are limiting investment. COuld be worse, at least you got some coverage and development for WDW at D23, what about poor old Paris?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I'm certainly think the field is open and openly welcome new theme parks anywhere in the world let alone Dubai or Jordan. The more the merrier. Understandably, I can imagine that there would be some concern for muslim guests visiting Orlando and the US. But, "prejudices here" WOW! And muslims and middle eastern countries don't have prejudices? At least we have gay bars in Orlando unlike Dubai or Jordan. It's not as if the muslim community is behaving as the welcome wagon to the world's gay and lesbian community, let alone their own muslim gay and lesbian children. Nope, those of us here in the "prejudice" USA have to tow that barge. Tell you what, at Atlanta's next Pride Parade I'll hold a flag of Dubai in one hand and a Jordanian flag in the other waving my support for all those muslim gay and lesbian children living in their respective muslim "free" societies.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Two wrongs do not make a right. Both societies have prejudices, though fwiw I have been advising European Muslims and one of them is gay. So utter down the rainbow flag as you and Deb just backed up my point.
Originally Posted By avimagine I saw "bah Humbug" gay people?! You mean there are gay people living in the US? Next thing you'll say there are straight people who go to Theme Parks! Or that there are gay LP member! Oh wait Orlando is built out in that the market won't grow appreciately and that the labour pool is behing exhausted. They need to build a Celebration II Now if homeland security is a concern (and this will also allow a new pool of labour). I think Middlesex county in Ontario would be a good place to build. Affordable, affluentish (used to be home to the most millionaires per capita), highly skilled (multiple universitities/colleges lots of people with degrees stuck in secratiarial jobs etc), and high unemployment makes this fertile grounds. That and Wally's papa was born north of this area. They could build the Villians Park, Space Port, Disney's America's (Yes there are many countries in the Americas!), Mythical/Beastly Kingdom. Heck with just 24 plus thunderstorms a year it even replicates Florida weather Before you talk about things such as there are plenty of areas like this in US. That woudln't get around Homeland security. Most Americans (well ok not Felons) can cross the border easily, sometimes just one or two questions at the border. Also before you mention BC has great weather, costs would be prohibitive.
Originally Posted By Scutr >>So utter down the rainbow flag as you and Deb just backed up my point.<< Oh no, Tom you keep flyin' that flag loud & proud! Dave, this is how they've "done unto us" so it must be how they want us to "do unto them", too, and I have NO problem with doing just that. I say the same thing to the Christians, Jews, Hindus, and anybloodybody else that tries to treat me as a second-class citizen just because I'm attracted to members of my own sex and not the opposite!! You're correct, Dave - two wrongs do not make a right......but they can damn well level the playing field a bit!(and give them a dose of their own medicine) And if you know a gay muslim, tell him I think he's an imbecile to kowtow to a religion that preaches that he should be killed on sight.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo But the religion does not teach that, not at all. That is dogma dictating policy in some countries. At GMFA and Terrace Higgins, we have support groups and sex ed for Muslim gay men. They have input from the imams and everything. It is like catholicism and Judaism, many in the sect do see it as a perversion (I know secularists who believe this too), but not all. Many believe that Allah creates everything for a reason and the pillars of Islam talk about Umah or love, and the promotion of peace. Read the Koran folks, rather than spouting prejudice bollocks
Originally Posted By Scutr >> It is like catholicism and Judaism<< My point exactly, Dave. These religions have discriminated, oppressed, and (at times) openly hunted down "my people" and thumped their bibles, korans, etc as justification for it. The fact that a FEW people of these religions actually understand and attempt to live by the peaceful message of love and acceptance that's buried underneath all their dogma matters little as they've done NOTHING to rein in the behavior of their small-minded, hate-filled bretheren. I'm sure you would prefer to have us "turn the other cheek" when one of us is dragged behind a pickup truck until dead.....when the Mormons(themselves poster-children of 'alternative lifestyles'!) donate MILLIONS of dollars to causes bent on denying us our civil rights....when gay teens are bullied and ridiculed to the point of suicide....when gay Iranians must remain closeted, in fear of their lives because the Theocracy they live in denies their existence while CONDONING their murders....but in my experience, turning the other cheek only gets you TWO bruised and bloody cheeks. I'm sorry, Dave. I like you. I think your wife and children are lucky to have you. However, this is a very sore point for me and I will not back down from it. If a truce is ever to be made on this issue, it HAS to start with Them. The instigators. Be they Mormon, Muslim, Baptist, Jew, or anything else. When THEY lay down their arms against us, I will HAPPILY beat my own sword into a plowshare, but NOT ONE MINUTE SOONER!
