Originally Posted By mawnck >>i'm trying to figure out why the 3rd back-up assistant's assistant to the on-call limo driver for the backround actor's stand-in needs to listed in the credits<< Because he worked on the movie.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Isn't Dry Ice a controlled substance in certain amounts" You can buy it at your supermarket. It doesn't take much to make a "bomb".
Originally Posted By Tikiduck Common fertilizer and diesel fuel took down the Federal building in Oklahoma City.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones He should definitely be reprimanded, fired and face fines if applicable, but I do not think the so-called device was on par with that of a destructive explosive device. I believe he intended to cause panic and fear, and that should be punished. I say no jail time.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Dry Ice bombs are extremely capable of doing some really extensive damage. It depends more on what container was used and how much Dry Ice plus water was used.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Dry Ice bombs are extremely capable of doing some really extensive damage." In this case, no. <a href="http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-disneyland-explosion-charges-20130531,0,82825.story" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/local/l...25.story</a> This story seems similar to an incident in which an exceptional student mixed aluminum and Drano to create a Drano bomb in a plastic bottle. A hysteria was created over that as well, when it really should have just been detention and a proverbial slap on the wrist. I have soda cans explode in the freezer if I accidentally leave them in too long. Perhaps this gentleman should be sent to Toontown jail for possession of carbon dioxide.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "Dry Ice bombs are extremely capable of doing some really extensive damage." In this case, no. <a href="http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-disneyland-explosion-charges-20130531,0,82825.story" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/local/l...25.story</a> This story seems similar to an incident in which an exceptional student mixed aluminum and Drano to create a Drano bomb in a plastic bottle. A hysteria was created over that as well, when it really should have just been detention and a proverbial slap on the wrist. I have soda cans explode in the freezer if I accidentally leave them in too long. Perhaps this gentleman should be sent to Toontown jail for possession of carbon dioxide.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Sorry for the double and now triple post. Finger slipped, for real.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I believe he intended to cause panic and fear, and that should be punished.< I don't know how you can present a motive for this. He might just as well have done it with absolutely no thought beyond "I wonder how loud the bang will be?"
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a prank based on the situation and the context. Pranks usually startle people no matter how benign. In other words, I am trying to argue on his behalf so that he receives the lightest punishment possible under the circumstances.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume it was a prank based on the situation and the context.<< +1 We are way too quick to assume the worst in people anytime something happens that we don't like.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That's what our court system is supposed to do too, of course. However, if it's proven he's the one who did it, I'm not so sure he should get the "lightest possible punishment." (Or the most severe either.) Even if he was just a stupid kid pulling a prank, it still had the potential for physical damage to some child (or adult) who happened to be standing nearby, either from sharp fragments or to the eardrums. And it still had the potential to cause a panic, with resulting injuries. And it DID cause the police to have to come to make sure it wasn't anything more serious, it did shut part of the park down, etc. This is a high profile case. If he gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist, it may cause some other stupid kids to react with "Hey, I wonder how loud we could make OUR dry ice bomb? Maybe we could tape it and put it on youtube when everybody freaks out." Of course they'd probably be videoed themselves doing it, but I did say "stupid kids," remember. I don't think he should have the book thrown at him, necessarily, but I do think if convicted he should get more than just the proverbial slap on the wrist.
Originally Posted By Nobody If the person that did this was a castmember, that means he made the choice between doing this in the middle of a kid-populated area or backstage. I think that choice will figure into determining what his motive was, as well as his charges/punishment.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck So assume he was ignorant of the potential damages this could have caused. Does the law not state that ignorance is no defense?
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance I know it's not likely, but it is entirley possible that this kid didn't even realize what would happen if he threw dry ice in the trash can. I don't think he should be considered a terrorist or treated like one when considering what punishment would be given to him.
Originally Posted By Gandalf2001 Oingo Boingo, "Only A Lad," lyrics keep floating through my mind everytime I read someone's actions are misunderstood. I'm pretty sure Disneyland issues paperwork to their employees about what not to do.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "This is a high profile case. If he gets nothing more than a slap on the wrist, it may cause some other stupid kids to react with "Hey, I wonder how loud we could make OUR dry ice bomb? Maybe we could tape it and put it on youtube when everybody freaks out." Of course they'd probably be videoed themselves doing it, but I did say "stupid kids," remember." I also don't think he should be punished based on what someone potentially could do in the future. It was stupid, yes. But should we ruin the rest of his life for it? Throw him in jail? Is he REALLY that big of a threat? Maybe, but probably not. Let's save jail for the people that are truly threats to society. You know, murderers, child molesters, etc.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I don't think he should have the book thrown at him, necessarily, but I do think if convicted he should get more than just the proverbial slap on the wrist.< I completely agree.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I know it's not likely, but it is entirley possible that this kid didn't even realize what would happen if he threw dry ice in the trash can.> No, this was intentional. It wasn't just dry ice thrown in the trash can - that would just "mist away." This was dry ice dropped in a soda bottle, warm water added, and sealed up tight. It only becomes a bomb when the CO2 expands inside a tightly closed space and has no place to go. I'm not saying we should ruin his life or even necessarily throw him in jail. But he should face at least a hefty fine and probation.
Originally Posted By HRM >> "I'm not saying we should ruin his life or even necessarily throw him in jail. But he should face at least a hefty fine and probation." << This person won't be able to pay any fine since he'll probably lost his job.
