Originally Posted By ecdc I'm certainly not trying to make the case that all should just be forgiven and forgotten. But consider: The U.S. has the highest incarceration rate in the world. We imprison more people than China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia...anyone. I heard a simple but insightful reason for why this is: We imprison people we're mad at; many other countries only imprison people they're afraid of--violent criminals. We have a ridiculously punitive mindset. We want people to pay, we want people to be punished. But it often ends up making more criminals, and it's costing us a fortune. Is imprisoning someone like this really the only way to teach them about unintended consequences (ie, an injury from the exploded bottle) and that pulling a stunt like this isn't a good idea? Are we really afraid of this kid, and do we really see him as a violent offender? That's what we ought to be asking ourselves before we think someone ought to go to prison.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 We have a ridiculously punitive mindset. We want people to pay, we want people to be punished. But it often ends up making more criminals, and it's costing us a fortune. Is imprisoning someone like this really the only way to teach them about unintended consequences (ie, an injury from the exploded bottle) and that pulling a stunt like this isn't a good idea? Are we really afraid of this kid, and do we really see him as a violent offender? That's what we ought to be asking ourselves before we think someone ought to go to prison.<< It's only going to get worse as more and more prisons are privatized...
Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's only going to get worse as more and more prisons are privatized...<< QFT.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "This person won't be able to pay any fine since he'll probably lost his job." Even if he was still working at Disney he wouldnt be able to pay the fine!
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance QUOTED FOR TRUTH Used on internet forums when quoting someone with similar views as yours.
Originally Posted By believe >>>We imprison more people than China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia...anyone.<<<< That's because they execute a lot more "criminals" than the USA.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <>> "I'm not saying we should ruin his life or even necessarily throw him in jail. But he should face at least a hefty fine and probation." << <This person won't be able to pay any fine since he'll probably lost his job.> He should be assessed it anyway. Maybe his parents can pay it. I don't think we should jail him, for the reasons ecdc outlined. But it can't just be a "don't you do that again, young man."
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Can somebody explain this QFT thing because I'm not so sure what was wrong with what William wrote. Privatizing prisons might be a topic unto itself, but still, I don't understand.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Can somebody explain this QFT thing because I'm not so sure what was wrong with what William wrote.<< "Quoted for truth". Another version of "This!" or "+1", except always accompanied with a quote of the most agreed-with portion. So we're agreeing with William (yeah, I know, weird, huh) and also having a bit of fun with the QFT concept.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance I had to get the definition because I had never heard of QFT. I also had quite feeding troll running through my mind.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 I also had quite feeding troll running through my mind.<< So I am a troll now? Thanks...
Originally Posted By mawnck >>So I am a troll now? Thanks...<< As detailed on the last page or so, a couple folks thought we were calling you a troll (because we were using the unfamiliar acronym QFT) and couldn't figure out why. Obviously we weren't, and it's been cleared up. I don't think anyone thinks you're a troll, William.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance "So I am a troll now? Thanks..." Dude, chill. That's not what I said or meant. It warms my heart that you were so emotionally effected because you thought I was insulting you.
