Originally Posted By mousermerf Took me a while to find a photo: <a href="http://www.hiddenmickeys.org/PictFrame.php?Images/MagicKingdom/ball-tl.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.hiddenmickeys.org/P...l-tl.jpg</a> The idea is that the marble is a celestial map, with various stars/plants/whatever carved into its surface. The gold thing seen at the top arcs up around it from the base and is like a pointer for location on the map.
Originally Posted By Lady Starlight Now that's neat. It would be nice if the one at DL was that way too. Thanks for posting that MM.
Originally Posted By Hista98 Well, I just thought ,what if they put in those classic rides now? What would we think of them today? Those other ride's seem like our classics used to seem to us, but only in today's way. We are just looking at things through adult's eyes now. Make sense? It was just a thought I had. Wel lI think the biggest problem i have wuth those is that they seem so cheap, even comapred to the dark rides we had in Fl. Why couldn't they have included ones like that in bugs land, compared to the dark rides of fl the ones in DCA seems really cheap and simple, and kind of an insult that they expect us to enjoy it or even pay so much for rides we could do at a carnival for 6 bucks, give me a reason to go to the park rather then else where.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I really don't see that big of a difference between the FL darkrides and Monsters, Inc, but the crowds don't seem to agree. Monsters has the new evacuation regulations that require a 3' space to allow wheelchairs through the entire ride, which takes away from the intimate feel of the older rides, but technically they are quite simiar. Minimal motion in the characters, small scale special effects and simple eye trickery, but nothing that's too cutting edge (Roz and Randall being the exceptions). Looks like if the 'classics' were open these days, they wouldn't be quite as popular.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Well, MK doesn't have Pinnochio or Alice, it's Snow White is a walk-on pretty much all the time, they tore out Toad, and their Pooh is more advanced then DL's (it's longer, has more motion, and better special effects.) That leaves Peter Pan, which is a unique suspended ride system - and it's the most popular.
Originally Posted By Manfried Goodbye Honey, you were just okay in your time. You will be missed a little, enjoy your retirement in Yesterland. No, I won't be going to see a final showing.
Originally Posted By monorailblue When Heimlich gets the devotion of Casey Jr., or Flick's the lines of Dumbo, or Francis' the crowds drawn to Teacups, then . . . Well, we all know I don't need to finish that thought, because it will never happen. And that you can tie to.
Originally Posted By oc_dean <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_u3ms4CSAo&feature=youtube_gdata" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...be_gdata</a>
Originally Posted By oc_dean One poster of another site says Captain EO opens January 29th. Not sure if they are right though.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I would guess it will be a little later. Given how long it took them to start work on the Sun Wheel and Orange Stinger in DCA after they closed, they will probably let the theater sit empty for a few weeks and then start the work, which won't take all that long to complete once the waiting period has ended.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I really wish they'd put the outdoor stage back where the Magic Eye Theater is and use the space where the Fantasyland Theater is for some kind expansion - maybe like what they are planning for Fantasyland at WDW. I absolutely hate the Fantasyland Theater.
Originally Posted By Hista98 I never got why they wait a while before starting construction, why not leave it open til it must start or start it earlier and get it over with. sometimes however they do start right away, it's just not visable yet. BTW from what ive heared and speculation most of the hista stuff will still be in place while EO is there I.E. the podium and sidescreen as well as the stage. Why because its kind of a cheap redo and that would cost extra its honestly closed now so they can just do a programming and timing redo for eo. Also they want to have the option of Hista coming back and it would be more expensive to remove all of it then reinstall it when they can just as eaisly leave it all in. again this is just scuttlebut and specualtion and may not happen.
Originally Posted By SFH Hopefully, Rick Moranis and Eric Idle will stay alive for a long time to come, so that HISTA will not "need" to come back.
Originally Posted By Hista98 It seems wierd to me that Hista has only been at DL for 10 years but people say it's old and dated in yet fantasmic has been here for almost 2o years is the same show and yet still has huge crowds and everyone loves it. interesting
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Live shows have much greater repeatability than movies, even in 3D, do. That's part of the reason that DL's F! has a bigger fan following than the WDW version, as much more of the show is based on the videos shown on the mist screens (along with pacing issues, but that's another story). With all the live action elements, there are slightly different things to see each time. At times, there are also too many things to take in on one viewing. I don't have any idea how many times I've seen the show, and I still find something new each time during the Peter Pan sequence alone. Also, there isn't really anything that I can think of in F! that places it squarely in the early 90's when it came out (maybe the exit music, but that's not really a major part of the show), yet HISTA features all sorts of people wearing clothing that was popular at the time, but has since gone horribly out of style. How many teenage girls these days wear cobalt blue skirt suits with huge shoulder pads? How about toddlers with checkered suspenders? Those things just look funny to a modern audience, much like bell bottoms and leisure suits would. And there's just something about the setting of the show that makes it a little more magical. Yah, it looks like a stage during the day, but it still amazes me how many carefully crafted trap doors and moving lights they have hidden around the island. Seeing the boats that guests travel on during the day is another cool bonus, as most people just don't expect it. With HISTA, after the first viewing, the gags wear old, and the visuals aren't really interesting enough to carry the story on their own. Yes, there are parts of Fantasmic! with that same issue (Jimminy Cricket/Monstro sequence), but they are a minor part of the overall show, compared to being the whole thing. I've never really thought about it, but both shows were created around the same time, and have a similar running time. F! has had some technical upgrades recently that make it look even better, but it's still the same old show. Yet, it still manages to wow me each time, which is something that hasn't happened on HISTA since my first visit. Even then, I'm not sure how excited I was about the actual movie as I was getting to see the new headliner attraction (in Epcot, it was quite popular for a couple years).
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Ten years vs twenty? Not quite. Honey originally opened in EPCOT in 1994. Fantasmic! opened at DL in 1992. They're only 2.5 years apart, not almost ten. FerretAfros got it right. They are of the same era, created within a few years of each other. And while HISTA has had zero changes to it over the years, Fantasmic! has had several, which has helped to keep it fresh. Seriously, you need some fact-checking before jumping to these conclusions.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros In fairness, he said that it's only been at DL for 10 years, which is more or less correct, as it opened in mid-1998 with the rest of the 'new' Tomorrowland. Sadly, the film had already been around for a few years at that point, and was starting to show a bit of age. Along with the out-there fashion choices, it's also based on a film franchise that was at the tail end of its popularity when it was installed in DL. I also think it's interesting how Muppet Vision was created a few years earlier, and has aged quite gracefully. The last scene, with the guests looking in from outside (a shot that really doesn't make sense with the exterior in DCA), looks pretty out of date, but the rest of the film manages to stay nicely relevant. Even the CGI used doesn't look awful by modern standards. I'm not sure I can say the same about the CGI hovercraft and cat/lion from HISTA. ITTBAB is starting to show some age (and I'm still confused why there are never any characters from the film on the screen), so maybe it has something to do with being based on another film. That sets it in a specific era. Both a bug's life and the Honey... films did fairly well, but aren't terribly popular today, so maybe that's a part of it. Either way, HISTA just feels old and out of date.
