Originally Posted By Doobie This topic is for Discussion of <a href="http://www.LaughingPlace.com/Latest.asp?I1=ID&I2=2020" target="_blank">Latest: Hong Kong Disneyland's Pirates Project is </a>
Originally Posted By fredddy Well, if this expansion project is dead, maybe that the park itself is dead. If they do not want to invest in it, they should close it right know. In fact, they should not have build it at all if it was to make it such a small park.... What a shame !
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: It will be interesting to see what our dear friend, Loomis, has to say about all this--especially in light of the fact that Bill Ernest is supposed to be making a big announcement, soon, after deboarding a Pirate ship. ORGOCH: Sorta makes that pirate party thing they got planned fer Ping Pong Dizzyland seem ta be much ado 'bout nothin', now... ORWEN: I was So looking forward to flying over there and seeing the new attraction and maybe be abducted by some swashbuckling pirate-type who would reminded me of my long, lost ex-futurist sweetie....(sniff, sniff.)
Originally Posted By tcsnwhite You know, the whole land was quite an awesome idea. But getting down to the nitty gritty, if they are not willing to fund the whole thing, the attraction in and of itself at least needs to get done. The park needs attractions first and foremost.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara The Hong Kong park is not worth going to more than once, and for two days at most on your one visit. It's not as bad as Walt Disney Studios Paris, but it's so small, and missing so many of the signature rides which are in in most of the other Magic Kingdoms, that it barely feels like a Disney park at all. Unless you happen to be in Hong Kong for some other reason, it's really not worth the trip. Just like WDS Paris, it needs a massive infusion of cash, about $500 million (5 E-Tickets), in order to make it a worthwhile trip. With WDS Studios at least they've figured out what a dumbass mistake they made and are at long last starting to do something about it (four new attractions opening within the year). It's A Small World isn't going to mean doodly-squat in Hong Kong. It needs to add: 1) Haunted Mansion 2) Pirates of Whatever (movie or ride based) 3) Splash Mountain 4) Big Thunder Mountain 5) Indiana Jones Since the Hong Kong government will never be able to cough up that much dough without a huge stink ("The Disney Company only put up how much money? And they get what percentage?") the park is just going to piddle along with mediocre attendence for another decade until new administration comes in and decides to really fix the problem. Either that, or it could become the first Disney park to close.
Originally Posted By pitapan16 That really really sucks. The park looks beautiful, but seriously, how many rides are there?
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara Walt Disney Studios Paris opened with, what, 8 attractions? There are more in Hong Kong Disneyland, but still a shockingly small number. Rough count: 1 on Main Street (the Train) 4 in Adventureland 6 in Fantasyland 5 in Tomorrowland And that includes the two shows, Golden Mickeys and the Lion King. I don't include the Main Street vehicles or the Liki Tikis as legitmate attractions.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Or the City Hall, which is another legit attraction on the guidemap. >>It's A Small World isn't going to mean doodly-squat in Hong Kong. It needs to add:<< MORE chinese guests!!! But frankly...it appears the Goverment partners do not give doodly-squat about the park anymore and have thrown in the towel... Maybe it's time for Disney to go private with this park and find a worthy arab somewhere to cash them up and perk up what I still believe is a fine little park. Very sad news indeed.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Maybe OLC should seize the opportunity and pick up this new Pirate area for TDS' corner between Port Discovery and Lost River Delta. After all, who wouldn't want this new themed land to be done right?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Interesting that our WDI gadfly has been MIA for months now (except for a little catfight with TDLFAN). I wonder what he would say about this if he hasn't been muzzled by TWDC.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Does this bode poorly for HKDL? I mean if the HK government is not willing to invest in this, and from the link, ANY future expansion, what does that mean for the park? After Small World, will that be it? Can Disney put their own money into it? Although the better question is would they?
Originally Posted By Park Hopper Disney opened a park that was too small. It flopped and now the Chinese governemnt has lost faith in them. Disney is paying for their poor judgement. The question is will they learn from this mistake? Or will they continue to repeat this same mistake over and over again, focusing only on reducing the potential loss, and completely forgetting that they have to put on a good show to lure guests?
Originally Posted By jrriddle TDLFAN: "Maybe OLC should seize the opportunity and pick up this new Pirate area for TDS' corner between Port Discovery and Lost River Delta. After all, who wouldn't want this new themed land to be done right?" Best idea EVER!
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: If there are no more new attractions to be added--after SMALL WORLD--it would seem the park would eventually have to close down. The only way to bring back return guests is to keep adding and growing. If the Hong Kong Government is no longer interested in this investment, hope is slim for it to be rescued--unless some Wealthy individual with an interest in Disney decided to help out. In the meantime, it would seem that Bob Iger is in a tough position with this one. We hope he steps up to the plate and makes a good decision--such as to go ahead and build the Pirates attraction, anyway, and thus prove that--in order to make money you have to SPEND money.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Interesting that our WDI gadfly has been MIA for months now ... I wonder what he would say about this if he hasn't been muzzled by TWDC. >>> Is the notion of a muzzling conjecture on your part or did I miss something?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^It is reasoned conjecture on my part based upon what is happening in the company at this time in relation to cracking down strongly on the release/leaking of information ... I can't answer for said poster or anyone else. I could be wrong. But I do know there is a lot of conternation over how things get discussed at 11 a.m. in meetings and by noon are already being posted on Disney sites.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>The question is will they learn from this mistake? Or will they continue to repeat this same mistake over and over again, focusing only on reducing the potential loss, and completely forgetting that they have to put on a good show to lure guests?<< DING-DING-DING-DING-DING-DING Learn from their mistakes????? Please! They haven't! Shall we list them? DCA for starters!
Originally Posted By leemac <<^^It is reasoned conjecture on my part based upon what is happening in the company at this time in relation to cracking down strongly on the release/leaking of information ... I can't answer for said poster or anyone else. I could be wrong. >> Just to be crystal clear: there has been no muzzling. It is a matter of choice as I don't have much time to deal with the site at the moment and I have little to say on the matters I do say being discussed. I wouldn't read anything into my perceived absence.
Originally Posted By SuperDry Leemac, how do you know we're talking about you? Well of course we are. <<< It is a matter of choice as I don't have much time to deal with the site at the moment and I have little to say on the matters I do say being discussed. >>> I know how you feel. There are a few topics here and there on LP about which I have a great many things to say, but that tends to take a great deal of time. Then there are re-hashes of old news - like I almost responded to #17 above, but realized I would just be repeating what I've said on many other occasions without adding anything. There's sometimes a fine line between having a discussion and just trying to make your point over and over again.
Originally Posted By u k fan <<If the Hong Kong Government is no longer interested in this investment, hope is slim for it to be rescued--unless some Wealthy individual with an interest in Disney decided to help out.>> Shall we have a whip round? I've got some loose change and a book token!!!
