Originally Posted By AutoPost This topic is for Discussion of <a href="http://www.LaughingPlace.com/Latest-ID-78019.asp" target="_blank"><b>Latest: Iron Man's Stark Expo Headed to Disneyland's Tomorrowland? (POLL)</b></a> <p>FuriousFanBoys.com writes Disney is considering putting a version of the Stark Expo in place of Innoventions in Disneyland's Tomorrowland. The Stark Expo was feaured in the Marvel film Iron Man 2.</p> <p>[[poll:53]]</p>
Originally Posted By MoondoggieCA Marvel in Tomorrowland? Wow, the face of Disneyland could really be changing. Too bad.
Originally Posted By Bellella You know what's really too bad? 56 % of the people who took the poll said yes. (I said no.) Come on, people!!! Have a little more respect for the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By Bellella You know what's really too bad? 56 % of the people who took the poll said yes. (I said no.) Come on, people!!! Have a little more respect for the place!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By TP2000 I went into Innoventions last year for the first time in almost a decade. It was painfully embarassing. A cheesy commercial for Microsoft and some homebuilder whom I have already forgotten, and there were several groups of people desperately trying to figure out how to leave and escape the sales pitches. I'm surprised they didn't try and sell me a timeshare condo in Arizona or an extended warranty on a new car or something. Just really, really bad with very, very little entertainment value. Disneyland would be better off with Innoventions shut down and put in mothballs than to have it operate like that. While I've never seen Iron Man I have a vague reference in my mind that the Stark Expo is a World's Fair type thing and it would be much better than keeping Innoventions open to annoy whatever tourist happens to wander in there by mistake.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm no Innoventions supporter, but I'm not convinced that a Stark Expo overlay is what's needed. For one thing, it's weirdly self-referential. The whole expo thing was a veiled reference to Expo `67 in NYC, and Tony Stark's dad was a direct lineage to Walt, as this richly imaginative visionary of his era - and oh by the way who was also a warmongering weapons merchant. There's even a cheesy ripoff of 'Big Bright Beautiful Tomorrow' thrown in to erase any doubts. The layout of the expo itself is revealed in the story to be a model of a 'super-molecule' that provides the energy for these militarized battle-bots that shoot weapons and fly and destroy everything in sight. There's even some bumptious cheerleaders shaking their cakes. On the other hand, we have fresh-scrubbed disneyland, and the original CoP building, where 'Progress City' sat for so many years. Moving these mindlessly violent 'characters' and settings into TL doesn't seem very "disney" like. And yet, it all conciously evokes Walt himself - not as an homage to his accomplishments, but as a two dimensional cartoon-like character who's only seen in flashbacks as a disengaged father. I'd rather see Plectu.
Originally Posted By 999HAUNTS I sooooooo voted yes. WOW. We need something new and spectacular. If Disney does this right, it could be amazing!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo It is more enticing than Winnie the Pooh or The Little Mermaid. The concept of Tomorrowland died when Epcot Centre opened. This could be very cool (FWIW - I do not see this being much different in tone than the gun museum that used to be in Frontierland).
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf So Tomorrowland could potentially be represented by Iron Man, Star Wars, Nemo, Buzz Light Year and noisy little cars spewing noxious fumes. What a hodgepodge. Can we transfer the whole land over to DCA where it would fit right in?
Originally Posted By Bellella Okay, so I guess Tomorrowland won't be about the future anymore. I've seen this coming for a long time. Sad, but true. No one cares about the land's original premise.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>The whole expo thing was a veiled reference to Expo `67 in NYC...<< Ahem. Expo '67 was in Montreal. The Stark Expo directly references the New York World's Fair of 1964-65.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Innoventions is already pretty stark, so this probably couldn't hurt.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Bellaella, I do care, but it hurt too much, they will synergize, that is the mission. I hate it, but at least I like Marvel (unlike 90 of disney's own output of the last 10+ years)
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb If Lucasfilm can be represented in both Adventureland and Tomorrowland I don't see how Stark Expo would be a problem. Especially if it's done well. And let's face it, in its current state Innovations sucks rocks, so I'm all for attempting something new. Oh and Bellella, could you please give the drama a bit of a rest. Disneyland isn't your own personal museum. It's one thing to rally for quality, but your outrage at any change is getting ridiculous. Tomorrowland '67 is dead and gone and just because some of us recognize that and want to see something new there doesn't mean we don't care about Tomorrowland.
Originally Posted By gadzuux They'd be synergizing with a Paramount Studios franchise. The disney connection is in the origins of the building itself, as the former home of CoP, which originated at the NYC world's fair in - okay `64/65 (nice catch doug), which this Stark Expo seeks to emulate. And the blatantly obvious - and somewhat unflattering - references to the Walt-like father figure from the last film. There will almost certainly be another Iron Man movie before too long, and it will still be a Paramount picture with Robert Downey Jr and Gwyneth Paltrow. Not disney. Just across the way is Star Tours, based on a movie franchise from 20th Century Fox. Not disney. Disneyland is already a bit too self-referential for my sensibilities. This would only heighten that feeling. Am I all alone on this one? Everybody else here seems to think this idea is too cool.
Originally Posted By MoondoggieCA I just think that Tomorrowland had a purpose...and that has been lost. IMO, everything doesn't have to be tied into a movie. Unfortunately though it seems the poll above would indicate that people still want the movie tie-ins going strong. Considering we're talking about Tomorrowland, this is a bummer. My opinion is that we should try letting the kids of today make connections with things scientific, without having to tie it in with some movie schema they already have established in their head. Besides, considering the movies addressed in Tomorrowland already, there isn't really anything scientific to be learned from them anyway. Buzz Lightyear, Nemo, Star Tours....nothing scientific going on there. Yes, space is science, but just because Buzz and Star Tours have settings in space doesn't mean anything is being learned. The Innoventions building, to me, has great potential for something that is actually science-based. Why waste it on another movie? If there is something science/tomorrow-related to this Stark Expo (I'm not all that familiar with it), why not just make it generic learning about said concepts without the movie tie-in.
