Originally Posted By SpokkerJones That look has been eroded in some ways, one example being the allowance of cornrows. I'd say the erosion isn't quite complete, though.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt So what do you want? Ripped jeans, body piercings, and tattoos, and gold teeth?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I don't think I've called for cast members to be able to wear anything like ripped jeans, body piercings, tattoos and gold teeth, unless you think cornrows are the same as those four things.
Originally Posted By spacejockey It's a "theme" park and the cast is expected to wear wardrobe just like any cast. She should have thought of that before she applied.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'm referring to your comment that, "I'd say the erosion isn't quite complete, though". From this I get the impression that you are clinging to the notion that Disney's appearance standards are stuck in the 1950s. Maintaining minimal grooming and appearance standards is pretty universal in the corporate travel and hospitality business, whether it's staff at DLR, a Marriott hotel, or on a cruise ship. Other than the role playing angle I don't believe that Disney's appearance standards are any stricter than those of similar businesses in their field.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Maintaining minimal grooming standards is a different from maintaining standards that discriminate against certain groups, intentionally or not. There is certainly nothing dirty about cornrows, for example, but the prohibition of that hairstyle probably affected blacks more than whites, and I suspect that's why the change was made.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Unite HERE Local 11 had planned another protest regarding the headscarve for Wednesday, September 1st at 4:00PM on the front lawn of the Grand Californian. They announced it to the media on Monday, and the OC Register reported on it. But the protest didn't happen today. No word yet from the union why the announced protest and press conference didn't happen.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I think DL has made reasonable efforts to accommodate her. But by offering her this hijab alternative, they have also essentially admitted that (contrary to the assertions of some here) a hijab would not "ruin" the awesome themeing of the Storytellers Cafe waitstaff.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Maintaining minimal grooming standards is a different from maintaining standards that discriminate against certain groups, intentionally or not." You've yet to demonstrate how Disney's dress codes are discriminate. In this particular case it appears that a solid effort was made to adjust their standard costume at the venue on behalf the employee's religious beliefs. It would be impossible to create a costume that encompassed the individual religious needs of every single possible religious need. "There is certainly nothing dirty about cornrows, for example, but the prohibition of that hairstyle probably affected blacks more than whites, and I suspect that's why the change was made." I don't know about that Spokker. I've seen white, Asian, and Latino people wear cornrows. That particular hairstyle may have originated from a particular ethnic group, but black people aren't the only people who wear it. I think we're getting a little off track here with the cornrows discussion.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Maintaining minimal grooming and appearance standards is pretty universal in the corporate travel and hospitality business, whether it's staff at DLR, a Marriott hotel, or on a cruise ship. Other than the role playing angle I don't believe that Disney's appearance standards are any stricter than those of similar businesses in their field" Thats true, even to work for a coffee shop and make $8 an hour here you are not allowed piercings of the face.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Interestingly another lawsuit has been filed in another California city over a similar issue. <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2010/09/02/BATJ1F7BVC.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/....bayarea</a>
Originally Posted By believe ^^^^ interesting, the manager specifically ask if she was Muslim- shouldn't have done that, that's ground for discrimination. If he just asked her to remove the headscarf and she refuses, then the employee could be nailed for not conforming to dress code. But no, he asked if she was Muslim.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Exactly. This is precisely why I'm saying that as far as we know Disney has not discriminated against its employee, but has made numerous attempts in good faith to accommodate her.
Originally Posted By LuLu Re the linked article - how can a Muslim work for a company like Abercrombie? Doesn't their image go against their religion? In a similar vein, someone asked how our DL lady can work at a restaurant that serves pork.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>I think it's a blatant attempt by the woman for attention and money. I haven't weighed in on this too much because it's such a heavy topic but if you knew there was a dress code to begin with and you didn't bring the issue up when you were hired, what's the motive to do so now? Right.<< ^^^ ditto She wants it both ways .. or as they say Wants her cake and eat it too. She wants her full way of dressing her way! And her job at Disney. I'd say to her ... Take Disney's alternative .. or go find yourself another job! Orange County has no shortage of restaurant jobs!
Originally Posted By TP2000 Storyteller's serves several pork dishes and beer and wine and a full cocktail menu. The hostess stand where Imane works (worked?) also looks right out at the GCH pool and waterpark complex where women cavort in bikinis and flaunt their bodies for half-naked men all swimming in the same pool. Somehow that work environment didn't contradict her religious sensibilities for the past two years? She doesn't exactly have an airtight case here. ;-)
Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance "where women cavort in bikinis and flaunt their bodies for half-naked men all swimming in the same pool" I think we can safely say it's the men who are flaunting trying to get the attention of the bikini clad California girls with daisy dukes and bikinis on top. West coast represent now put your hands up! *echo* West coast west coast.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Constance, it's almost 8PM, you need to switch to decaf now dear." TP, you are on a roll man!! LOL!
