Originally Posted By Mr F Here's a List of Attractions which are, & will be shared by Both DCA & Disneysea Alike: -Jumpin' Jellyfish -Tower of Terror -Crush's Turtle Talk -World of Color -Toy Story Mania And Even Soarin' was once planned for Disneysea. With the trend that we've seen with Disneysea receiving attractions originally meant for DCA, It seems like a No-Brainer to me that the Little Mermaid Dark Ride, planned for DCA will eventually find it's way into Disneysea too. There's no question that it WILL Happen, however, My question is when do you think it will happen? Are they going to announce the plans for the Little Mermaid Dark ride after Toy Story Mania opens, or do you think they will open some other new attraction before the little mermaid ride?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I'm not so sure if it is as definate as you seem to think. Yes, they already have the perfect area for it (Mermaid Lagoon), but I sort of wonder how they would physically manage to fit it into the park. The building they're planning on adding in DCA is very large, and Mermaid Lagoon is very landlocked within the park. There's a tiny bit of space between ML and Port Discovery, but that's pretty much the only backstage road access to the center of the park, so I don't think they would want to take that out. They could conceiveably remove an attraction and replace it, but I think the only area that would be big enough for this would be the theater for the stage show, and I just don't think they would do that, at least while it remains popular. Just looking at the park, it looks like that area might have been built on the second level, particularly the outdoor attractions. I don't know if there is any empty space below that area, but if there is, I wouldn't be entirely surprised to see that used as an attraction space. The indor portion of Mermaid Lagoon is already a lot lower than the outdoor part, so I think it would b epretty simple to take out a small portion of the playground to use as the entrance/exit location, and have the queue go the rest of the way down to the lower level. Like I said, I don't know if there is actually any space under the other attractions, but other than that I really don't see where they could physically put it in the park (assuming they would put the Little Mermaid attraction in the Little Mermaid land, since there are other places in the park where it could fit).
Originally Posted By barboy ///Tower of Terror/// I can't give that one to you..... OK, I'll give you 1/2 credit for it. Hightower Hotel's skeleton/core is very similar to DCA's ToT but yet it is noticeably different in story and execution with Shiriki's curse.
Originally Posted By jmuboy I think its a given that this LM ride for DCA will become a Disney Parks franchise ride (much like TSMM, originally designed for DCA) is going to become. I just don't think TDS is where the ride will end up. I think it would be a better fit in the TDL park. Not sure where it would go space wise, but there seems to be enough Mermaid in TDS for now. Plus now with the addition of ToT, Raging Spirits, Crush, TSMM and new entertainment offerings on a regular basis I think TDS is a solid park in terms of attraction count (which I know was an original concern of some). The great thing about TDS is that is collection of attractions are of all size and scope.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones The actual ride experience of Tower of Terror TDS is the same as DCA's except with a different theme.
Originally Posted By Mr X That's like saying the actual ride experience of Pinnochio is the same as Snow White's Scary Adventures except with a different theme. If you're talking about just the basic motion of the thing, that's correct. But it doesn't make it a far different experience, since it is a far different story entirely.
Originally Posted By barboy ///The actual ride experience of Tower of Terror TDS is the same as DCA's/// I'd say that is a very safe bet..... I think..... if by 'ride experience' you mean the actual direction of movement, seating, physical sensation, distance traveled in the service elevator and duration of the ride portion. For all I know the two might be exactly the same. But concerning TDS's ***overall** experience I have to disagree. Hightower, like just about every attraction, starts even before one enters the queue---- the facade. And the facade sports an entirely different look and creates a unique mood. And the queue(another important part of an attraction) dramtically differs from other versions as well. And naturally the two attractions tell very different stories. I agree that the guts of the two are the same but overall the attractions differ noticeably.
Originally Posted By barboy And DCA's Mermaid dark ride in Mermaid Lagoon???? How? Although a perfect fit in theme how could something as ambitious as DCA's fit in there. Mermaid Lagoon Theater is untouchable so the only other way would be to yank out the lesser attractions like Jellyfish, blowfish, whirlpool and the playground---- I just don't see it although I'd love it if it were to happen; I'd take that trade in second!
Originally Posted By Mr F If you look at the satellite View of Tokyo Disneysea: <a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=disneysea&sa=N&safe=off&tab=wl&um=1" target="_blank">http://maps.google.com/maps?hl...=wl&um=1</a> You can see that there is a fairly large backstage area, right behind the Little Mermaid Theater, perfect for a Dark Ride. So I don't think space is so much the issue, is more as to figuring out how to re-route backstage roads & vehicles. And DCA & TDS's Tower of Terrors may be significantly different in theme, but both parks have them none the less. DLP's & DL's Space mt.'s are different in theme, but both parks have them.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros That map shows where DisneySea would have been built in Long Beach, not the actual location in Tokyo. While there may physically be the space that tehy would need to build it there, that space is being used for other things. That area is the only place in the park that allows any sort of backstage access to the center of the park. If they took that area out, there would be no way to transport CM's, food, garbage, or any other supplies to much of the park without using guest walkways. That would mean that all the food for the restuarants in that area would need to be delivered at night, and trash taken away at night. There are a couple fairly large restuarants there (Horizion Bay and the one with Donald's Boat Builders show), along with some smaller ones. There are two major stage venues (the Little Mermaid one and the Mystic Rhythms one) that might need the access points, and there are also many attractions that need backstage access. While they could keep the hidden bridge to allow CM access without needing to cross guest areas like in DL, but it just makes everything a lot more difficult. Unless they can be very very clever with the way the access points work around the building, it just won't be built there. The places that need to be accessed are both on the first and second floor, so that further complicates things (Horizion Bay on first floor, Mystic Rhythms on second). They could build the attraction on the second floor over the backstage area and have certain points that have access to the second floor, or build the attraction downstairs, with the backstage stuff on top of it and access to certain places below it. With either of these options, the first floor would likely be very tall and make it difficult to match up the second floor with the surroundings in the park. It also makes that access road completley useless while they are going through construction. TDS was very carefully designed to keep the backstage operations hidden backstage. I think more than any other park, they do a really good job of hiding what needs to be hidden, and doing it in a way that guests would never know about unless they went way out of their way to figure it out. I just don't see them sacrificing the ease of hidden operations for the entire park to just add a single attraction themed to a property that is already represented by half a dozen other attractions. I just don't see it happening.
Originally Posted By SuperDry What about the area underneath the entrance to the Mystic Rhythms theater, the waiting area in front of it, and the pathway in front of that? That's a fair amount of room, and the existing stuff is all on the second level, and it doesn't seem that there would be much underneath that. There may not be enough height, but if that were the only problem, the current area could be raised/rerouted to fix it. And, it could be connected via an indoor corridor so that the attraction entrance/exit was in King Triton's Kingdom.
Originally Posted By SuperDry But commenting on the OP, I don't think there's any direct connection between attractions at both DCA and TDS other than coincidence. I don't know that having a new attraction at one implies that it's likely to be added to the other, unless it otherwise makes sense to do so.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***it doesn't seem that there would be much underneath that*** Actually, there's a bunch of back-of-house stuff underneath there, including storage, offices, dressing rooms, and employee cafeteria, etc... Perhaps all that could be moved, I have no idea, but at the moment all that space is very much in use.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara The show building for the Little Mermaid ride is going to be very large, like Indy or Pirates. I think the show building for Toy Story Midway Mania is small by comparison, no? There is only one place a Little Mermaid ride can fit thematically in DisneySea, but it cannot physically fit there. When it comes, if it comes, it will be in Tokyo Disneyland. That enormous parking lot to the left of the park, between the park and the official hotels, will eventually be home to an enormous parking garage that will accomodate the same number of cars and busses, freeing up lots of land for adding to the park. There is far more room for expansion there than anywhere in DisneySea. Has anyone ever figured out why only one theater of Storm Rider has been running for about a year, and why they built that big wall beside it? There's room there for something. That's a real problem for DisneySea: all the Japanese feel it doesn't have enough attractions, and the room for expansion is quite limited: perhaps three E-tickets, tops. That's going to cause them problems later on.
Originally Posted By Mr F The Show building for the Little Mermaid ride is NOT going to be the size of Pirates or Indy. It's only going to be a D-Ticket Attraction. The size of the show building will only be maybe around the size of TDL's Pooh ride, at most. Anyways, it can fit, where there's a will theirs a way. And Putting the Little Mermaid Dark Ride in TDL, when there is a themed area in Disneysea perfect for the ride, would be pointless and silly, Just like putting the Magic Carpets ride in Walt Disney Studios, instead of in Disneyland Paris Park, where there's a perfect Arabian themed area for it.
Originally Posted By The Goddess Mara Pointless and silly? I don't think so: it's a Fantasyland attraction. I don't think they'd be spending so much money and real estate on it in DCA if it were only going to be a D-Ticket. But I really don't agree with most people's classifications of what constitutes a D and E ticket anyway.
Originally Posted By Roger55 >>The Show building for the Little Mermaid ride is NOT going to be the size of Pirates or Indy. It's only going to be a D-Ticket Attraction. The size of the show building will only be maybe around the size of TDL's Pooh ride, at most. Anyways, it can fit,<< How can you state things with such absolute certainty regarding these claims and the original claim that the ride will for sure be put in TDS? Do you have access to some source or is it just speculation on your part? To speculate is fine, but I don't see any facts or credible sources being cited here. Stating speculation as if it were fact is a little irresponsible IMO. Maybe you are holding back on some credible information?
Originally Posted By Mr F Do you know how big the Indy Show Building is? It's HUGE! There's no way they are going to fit a build of that size right into the middle of DCA, which is were the Mermaid show building is going to be. If you look at the blueprints / area layout of Paradise Pier inside the Bluesky Cellar, you can see clearly that the mermaid show building will no be that big. Plus, building an attraction the size of Indy would at least have to cost over $150 Million, & I highly doubt the Mermaid ride is going to cost that much. And a building that huge right in the middle of a theme park would be an eyesore, plus it would block the views from the Grand Californian Hotel. Point is, the Ride is NOT going to be as big as Indy. This Little Mermaid ride is being planned for DCA, WDW, & DLP, no doubt they will consider it for TDS. And since space is an issue, they could always make the ride smaller for TDS.
