Originally Posted By DlandDug Madonna has opened her new World Tour (based on her album Confessions of s Dance Floor) in a venue that is regularly picketed by Union stagehands. In the course of the concert, the Immaterial Girl hangs on a giant, glitter covered cross, and presents a montage of images of the Bush Administration, which she criticizes (surprise!). But the first piece of performance art in the evening involves her limo, the fans, and a Union picket line.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Does anyone on this earth really care what she thinks ( kind of an oxymoron there anyway - giving her credit for being able to think on her own) -- when did she become a world political expert...time for another picture book.
Originally Posted By mele I find Madonna pretty nauseating most of the time but the two songs off her latest album are kind of catchy. I find it interesting that you would say that she doesn't have the ability to think on her own just because she is criticizing Bush. Madonna is a very smart woman and has made an extremely successful career by thinking on her own. Is this all WE is anymore? A place to tell people that they are stupid or evil if they aren't exactly like "you"? I'm not aiming that at you, vbdad, but it seems that this is at the heart of all WE threads. I'm smart, you're stupid. I'm right, you're wrong. I win, you lose. I think we all lose.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 I'm not a Madonna fan but I think she has a right to voice her opinion. If people don't like it - don't buy the tickets to see her.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 No, I bash very little here, and if you read my posts over the past few years you would know that. I would have reacted the same way had she criticzed Clinton or Bush, I am an apologist for neither , nor one sided in debates. So my comments have nothing to do with just her criticizing Bush. She has no business criticizing any world leader. Madoanna frequently opens her yap before she thinks so no I do not respect her for that and a lot of reasons. Not a fan of her glamorizing an anything goes, in your face sexual lifestyle. Luckily she is not the fave of kids any more, because her message to them was do as you want...it's all OK- look at me I'm rich and famous. Then co-writes a children's book, how hypocritical. She releases a SEX book at the height of the rise of HIV and Aids..someone explain to me what a great thought process that is? Let's then make a song about touting teen pregnancy, and make all out to be OK while the poverty rate for teen mothers is outrageous, but not for the multi millionarie Madonna who somehow feels the need to tell people how to live their lives. Aw well as her let's try and make statements about sexually explicit lifestyles in prime time Tv when younger children are watching awards shows ( not my kids watching ) If this is the role model you choose to defend as some deep thinker....that's your call, but I think she is a low life. Making it in the entertainment world selling trash doesn't qualify one as intelligent.....there are plenty of examples, start with Larry Flynt and work your way around. So yes, when someone like this makes a 'political statement' I am going to ask the question, what does she possibly add to any political thought process ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ if an entertainer wants to try and make a difference in this world, then take the path someone like Bono takes.....now there are times when I just don't want to hear any more and I may think, please enough already, but his cause is to make the world a better place...so you've got to respect that.... his is about doing for people who have nothing, not exploiting the masses by pushing the limits of what one can get away with.... Someone who makes millions from the sleaze she has peddled for 20+ years -- then tries to come across as somehow above anything is what ticks me off. Ok-- tirade over......
Originally Posted By DlandDug Actually, if Madonna wants to criticize anybody, that's her privilege. (That even extends to running photos of the President and Adolph Hitler side by side.) And anyone who chooses to follow her lead is, again, welcome to do so. The original point of this thread was to point out that Madonna's deep social concerns snub up short when it comes to personal enrichment. She will criticize the President, but cross a picket line of Union employees to do so. Only as long as her own profits are intact, her loopy social conscience is indulged.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I have yet to see a positive comment on her, so maybe we are all wasting time even giving her the thoughts to type out this stuff ? and Mele, the tirade was not against you ( just like I know from your comments your was not against me ) - and I know what you are saying about WE -- that is why I left for 6 months and just stayed in WDW sections.... but truly, to me the comments I had were not tied to Bush, it could have been anyone she was criticizing and I would not value her opinion...and the crossing the union picket line, shows her social consciousness is only whatever she feels will get her press at the time...not really for anyone except herself. I pride myself on opinions not controlled by any one political party, as I have yet to find one that contains all solid people out for my best interests....I support those who I feel will do the best job to keep the US the best place to live, whatever party they happen to be affiliated with is secondary.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Please don't use Bono as an example of what rock stars should be doing. The man comes to the US to have the taxpayers of the US fund relief efforts in Africa. I don't care how good these humanitarian efforts are. I just think the man should practice what he preaches. He is worth more than the gross national income of all those African countries he says he represents. Why doesn't he use his own money first. He isn't asking you or I to donate money. He goes to Washington DC and asks politicians to take "our" tax money and redistrubte it to corrupt governments in Africa. None of the money raised by Band-Aid EVER got to Africa for relief efforts. To this day no one knows where all the money raised by Band-Aid ever ended up.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Positive comment? Madonna has written two very good children's books...if you can believe it. I will also say this. If we are all judged solely what we did early in life then I am in BIG trouble.
Originally Posted By mele Defensive much, vbdad? I said that I wasn't aiming my WE comments at you. If WE isn't what I said it was, then why did you feel the need to take a break from it? I didn't say that Madonna was a deep thinker, nor did I defend anything she ever said or did. Quite the contrary, I said that she was nauseating. What I did do was disagree with you when you said that she isn't able to think on her own. She's made a career out of doing exactly what SHE wanted, not what people thought she should do. (Good or bad, that's the truth.) Intelligence isn't always about morality. I simply stated that she was smart and you took it to mean that I thought she was a great human being. (Which again, for the record, I do not.) Madonna has every right to criticize any leader of any country just as I have every right to. But I guess since Madonna isn't an expert in political affairs and thus doesn't deserve to comment on them, then you will stop commenting on things you aren't an expert in? (And maybe part of Madonna's intelligence is getting people like you to care about what she does so very much. Your hatred for her is what she lives for.)
Originally Posted By mele Aargh, forgive my nastiness in that last post. Where's my prozac when I need it?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<Defensive much, vbdad? I said that I wasn't aiming my WE comments at you. If WE isn't what I said it was, then why did you feel the need to take a break from it? < Is this not exactly what I said here in post 10 ? "and Mele, the tirade was not against you ( just like I know from your comments your was not against me ) - and I know what you are saying about WE -- that is why I left for 6 months and just stayed in WDW sections...." sigh !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Okay-- I was hoping you caught that- I was afraid it could be taken that way which is why I addressed - no harm - no foul !
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Correction...she has written 5 children's books. I have only read two of them.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Madonna has every right to criticize any leader of any country just as I have every right to. But I guess since Madonna isn't an expert in political affairs and thus doesn't deserve to comment on them, then you will stop commenting on things you aren't an expert in? (And maybe part of Madonna's intelligence is getting people like you to care about what she does so very much. Your hatred for her is what she lives for.)< the problem is my opinions carry very little weight, and there are those who look to people like her ( God knows why) for direction... My hatred is not for her, it is for people like her - she just happens to be a flag bearer.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Correction...she has written 5 children's books. I have only read two of them.< whirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !! that sound is Dr. Seuss spinning in his grave !
Originally Posted By mele Yes, I forgot to check for new posts before I submitting my post (which took me a long time to write and still didn't come out the way I wanted it to.) LOL
