Originally Posted By hopemax That means all guests are turned away. It's going to be a long week for CMs, I think.
Originally Posted By hopemax Oh, and yesterday's estimate was 72K, but they came in a little below that.
Originally Posted By mousermerf If it really is that bad right now then Epcot will likely phase close on Sunday.
Originally Posted By MPierce I just want a head count. Phase 1, 2, 3, and 4 mean nothing to me unless I see a corresponding figure to go with it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Yeah. I agree Pierce. At least there are aren't hundreds of posts of fanbois in a lather here because they perceive this to be major news. Capacity at MK is so far below what it was 20 years ago that I don't know how to quantify what crowded is anymore ... and without actual numbers, it is meaningless. But I am sure all those CMs who have been axed feel some real magic toward Disney today. ~Non-Phased~
Originally Posted By -em I worked Epcot and it was busy but not super crazy thats crazy bout the MK though
Originally Posted By sjhym33 There are several things that go into the Phases if I remember correctly. I am sure someone will correct me. Its been a long time since I worked at WDW and been involved with Phase closing. One of the first things that happens is the MK parking lot will hit capacity. Traffice is diverted to EPCOT which has the largest parking lot. Guests are encouraged to go to EPCOT but can monorail to the MK. The next phase if I remember correctly is the park is closed to guests entering for the first time, but if they have used their park hopper then they can gain entry I also believe hotel guests can enter. The next phase is only hotel guests (or is it someone who is park hopping?) can gain entry into the park. Phase 4 is when no one can enter the park at all. Usually this happens for a couple of hours during the busiest time of the day. Eventually guest leave to park hop or head to their hotel and the gates reopen. The in park for a Phase 4 closing at the MK is somewhere in the high 60's, mid 70's. But I can be off on that. Now when the EPCOT parking lot closes...thats an UGLY day.
Originally Posted By MPierce ^^^I know 3 is guest staying at Disney, and AP holders only, and phase 4 is nobody. Isn't this decided by a number of things such as attractions open, restaurants open, and CM's working?
Originally Posted By sjhym33 Yes, but normally the MK is running full tilt with all attractions and food locations running and all attractions should be running a full contigent of vehicles, etc during the holiday season. They also require support depts from around the property to go work shifts in the parks.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Anyone know what the approximate capacities of MK and DL are when they both have everything running? I think DL is around 65,000, but that might be on the high side considering how much smaller it is than MK (though it does have more attraction capacity).
Originally Posted By -em from what I remember... MK is about that too but I would think right now its lower cause a people-eater (Hall of Pres) is closed... I heard it went to atleast Phase 3 today- Studios was PACKED... I havent worked that hard in a long time...
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I still don't buy that MK went a legitimate Phase 3 today, or Phase 4 yesterday. From first hand reports from CMs, waits today were less than 2 hours for the Mountains. That is not Phase 3, let alon 1 or 2 numbers, but that is just my opinion.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Yes, DL is roughly 65K (that's in-Park), possibly just a tad higher but definitely right in that ball park. I do not know what MK's cut off is.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper When I worked in the MK back in the early 90s I was told that by someont that should know that there were a couple of New Year's Eve's and Christmas week days when the park neared 90,000 people. I was in the MK as a guest once on a New Year's Eve (I'll never do that again). If someone told me there were 100,000 people in the park I would have believed them. So, that 90K figure might be pretty accurate. It was exciting at midnight but thoroughly miserable most of the day. People say in front of the castle as early as 2:00pm to wait for midnight. If you weren't in front of the castle by 6:00pm you were out of luck.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Who, butchered that first sentence. Sorry. "I was told by someone I know..."
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Oh, and yesterday's estimate was 72K, but they came in a little below that.*** Is this some sort of news or something? Tokyo Disneyland has a capacity of around 80,000 and the park has closed its' doors an average of around twice a week for the past several months (DisneySea next door has hit capacity often as well). I guess I don't get what the big deal is. ?? I suppose it's good news for the economy, maybe? Hope so! Wouldn't want to be there though, if it was so crowded (I ALWAYS avoid TDL on crowded days but that's getting harder and harder these days lol). ***People say in front of the castle as early as 2:00pm to wait for midnight. If you weren't in front of the castle by 6:00pm you were out of luck.*** To continue on my "neener neener, my park is more miserably crowded than yours" schtick (er...yeah, it's NOT really a good thing lol), try waiting several days. Seriously. They do. For new years. Several DAYS ("waiting for rock concert ticket" style, on the sidewalk, with blankets, the whole 9 yards). But I had a front row seat for nearly every one of the countdowns this past decade without a wait at all.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Several DAYS? Good grief. What is the acreage of TDL relative to MK X?
Originally Posted By dshyates I believe they can thank the "buy 4 get 3 free" deal for the large crowds. But I bet the in park spending numbers are WAY down. So between the steep discounts on rooms and the lower in park spending numbers I would expect the profit numbers to be down significantly. But none the less having these folks there is better than not. But I wonder what the long term plan is to get people into the parks. For about 5 years they have been giving away stuff. But I wounder if a smarter long term stratagy would be to actually roll back prices? Not a special deal, but actual lower prices. The days of folks charging a $5K trip on the credit cards is over, with the 30% interest rates that the credit card companies are charging these days. I also wonder what the impact of the Waldorf and 4Seasons will have on the Deluxes. The Waldorf has rooms starting at $279/night.
