Originally Posted By Dabob2 Don't get me started on "It's the most unique...!" Or "It's the ultimate..." Really? It's the last ever? That said, having no interest at all in Transformers, that would have to be one really cool attraction to be much for me. The water park is a good idea if they really want to keep people on their property for longer. And sure, I like mini-golf and would no doubt enjoy playing a highly themed course. But only the HP additions would have me particularly excited, personally. And yeah, both Disney and Uni overhype themselves all the time, but I do think you have to give Uni the edge in both degree and frequency. I mean, when the Mummy coaster came out, they really made it sound like the greatest themed coaster ever, and it isn't anything close to that. That's the one where there was probably the biggest gap between hype and reality, but there have been others. Disney tends to overhype not on "biggest, greatest" (unless something is, like the scale of the water show of WOC), and more on "it's so magical, you'll laugh, you'll cry..."
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Right, because Disney NEVER does that. Geez, talk about reaching..." I must have struck a nerve. But since you brought up Disney I can't think of any particular instance where Disney did that, at least not out here in California. For the most part Disney doesn't market their new attractions with as much adrenaline inducing adjectives as Universal does. Whatever... it's all good. And as I said apparently it works for Universal. "What's your hang up with the Spiderman quote? It is one of the greatest rides in theme park history, is it not?" Well so is Star Tours, but Disney doesn't make that claim when they talk about the redo. Universal obviously has a different way of marketing and I personally don't care for it. Like I said before the hyped language they use is cheesy.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Disney tends to overhype not on "biggest, greatest" (unless something is, like the scale of the water show of WOC), and more on "it's so magical, you'll laugh, you'll cry..."" Yep. Disney's overuse of the words "magic", "wonder" and "dreams" make me dizzy.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If you get dizzy, you should rest. Perhaps at the DLH. In either the Magic, Wonder, or Dreams Tower. (And yeah yeah, I know they just changed the names again.)
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones As bad as Disney's marketing is, Universal does go over the top in hyping their new offerings. At least someone in marketing should step back and ask, "Do we even understand what we are saying here?"
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<"What's your hang up with the Spiderman quote? It is one of the greatest rides in theme park history, is it not?" Well so is Star Tours,>> No...not really. <<Like I said before the hyped language they use is cheesy.>> I'd rather have the hype than everything being "magical".
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "one of the greatest attractions in theme park history" Maybe they were quoting the extremely highly positioned Disney Imagineer who told me these exact same words almost verbatim. If it's true, might as well say it!
Originally Posted By brotherdave To me, Spider-man is one of the most overrated attractions ever. Not saying it's bad and I do enjoy it for what it's worth, but it isn't the greatest theme park attraction ever built, at least in my viewpoint. 3-D isn't my thing and I have a terrible time seeing it at times and I'm not a huge fan of film-based attractions. I'd rather have huge, real immersive sets (ala Pirates, Haunted Mansion, etc) than movie screens. Maybe it's just me, but Spidey is just "ok" and gets much too much hype for what its actually worth.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 And I am on the opposite side of the coin. I think it is one of the greatest theme park attractions ever built. I am an AP holder and it never ceases to amaze me.
Originally Posted By dshyates I too am a huge Spiderman fan. Forbidden Journey, Spiderman, and ToT are my favorite attractions. And from what I am hearing the Transformers attraction is not using the Spiderman ride system and this new ride system is rumored to blow Forbidden Journey away. so now I am excited to see what is up with that. I may have to venture to Hollywood after it opens there.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "I'd rather have huge, real immersive sets (ala Pirates, Haunted Mansion, etc) than movie screens." Then you've been tricked by some real theme park magic because Spidey DOES have "real immersive sets" and quite large ones! It is not all just movie screens. There are quite a few set pieces you move through. Obviously you were so affected by it you didn't even realize you were moving through ACTUAL locations! Just goes to show even more how GREAT this attraction is!
Originally Posted By DlandDug Well this is comical... Back in post #60 I wrote: >>I have argument that The Adventures of Spiderman is one of the greatest themed attractions ever built.<< When I meant to write: I have NO argument that The Adventures of Spiderman is one of the greatest themed attractions ever built. Whether a particular person likes it or not, the general consensus is that Spidey is a great attraction. What I most dislike in this whole line of conversation is the relentless emphasis on comparison. Uni does something egregious, one of us calls it, and we are immediately informed that Disney does it worse. Or, Uni comes up with something great, and it is immediately cited as not just great, but greater than anything Disney has ever done. Can't we appreciate or criticize what they do on their own merits?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I'd rather have huge, real immersive sets (ala Pirates, Haunted Mansion, etc) than movie screens.>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4QHfq1mmy4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...Hfq1mmy4</a> Spider-man does the best job of melding sets and screens ever! It's seamless! I have to agree with the few posters above me, Spider-man and Forbidden Journey are far and away the two best rides on the planet at this time. Only a few Disney rides make it into the same stratosphere with them, namely Indiana Jones, Tower of Terror, Haunted Mansion, SSE, and Splash Mountain.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Maybe they were quoting the extremely highly positioned Disney Imagineer who told me these exact same words almost verbatim.>> I believe I know whom you're referring to, because he said the same thing to me. He couldn't stop gushing about the attraction, and for good reason. It's simply one of the best ever done for any theme park, anywhere.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper And people do realize that Spider-man has won the award for best dark ride like 10 years running...right? I think that gives them the right to call it one of the greatest rides on the planet...
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Does anyone else find it telling that the Disney attractions being measured against Forbidden Journey and Spider-Man are all *older* than these two? What does that say about Disney's recent focus for its theme park rides? Uni Creative has been setting the bar in immersive rides for over a decade. Spider-Man set the stage in 1999, then Forbidden Journey advanced the technology further when it opened last year. And I've heard from a couple of industry professionals that Transformers will raise the bar even higher, when it opens next year. Where the heck is Disney? Why aren't we getting new leading edge E-Tickets like this from WDI? And no, I don't have much hope for Radiator Springs Racers. It's essentially Test Track with a Cars wrapper. The first part of the ride inside the show building might prove more interesting that Test Track, but I doubt it will be as impressive as Spider-Man or Forbidden Journey. Full-size talking cars? *yawn*
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And I've heard from a couple of industry professionals that Transformers will raise the bar even higher, when it opens next year.>> I've heard the same, which is surprising, considering I thought it was going to use the Spider-man tech. I hope Spirit's info is true and it's coming to USF. <<Where the heck is Disney? Why aren't we getting new leading edge E-Tickets like this from WDI? And no, I don't have much hope for Radiator Springs Racers. It's essentially Test Track with a Cars wrapper. The first part of the ride inside the show building might prove more interesting that Test Track, but I doubt it will be as impressive as Spider-Man or Forbidden Journey. Full-size talking cars? *yawn*>> While I agree that the ride won't push technology further, I do think it will be a spectacular ride. Will it be Forbidden Journey or Spider-man level? I doubt it, as like you said it's basically Test Track. But the better theming and AAs will make it one of the best Disney rides going.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Well so is Star Tours, but Disney doesn't make that claim when they talk about the redo. Universal obviously has a different way of marketing and I personally don't care for it. Like I said before the hyped language they use is cheesy. << I've ridden many simulators that look and move like Star Tours, so I wouldn't say it's one of the best theme park attractions. On the other hand, I've never seen an attraction like Spider-Man.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> What I most dislike in this whole line of conversation is the relentless emphasis on comparison. Uni does something egregious, one of us calls it, and we are immediately informed that Disney does it worse. Or, Uni comes up with something great, and it is immediately cited as not just great, but greater than anything Disney has ever done. Can't we appreciate or criticize what they do on their own merits? << I take the PR on both sides for what it is -- advertising hype. But I feel that Universal has come closer to living up to the hype over the past ten years than WDW has. If WDW was building attractions of the quality of Tower, and Indiana Jones Adventure, and Splash, then I would think they have every right to boast and hype their product. But when their offering is Stitch's Great Escape or the Nemo ride or a new meet-and-greet, then I have to laugh at their bombastic language.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 Good lord. NOT Transformers. Not that i'm against it comming. I mean, if it comes, considering this is UNI, it means almost certain something will close to let Transformers replace it. Where would they put it?
