Originally Posted By ssWEDguy A lot has been written on these boards about FastPass, about how it's a good thing, and about how it's a bad thing. I'm one of those who think it can be a good thing, if it were used as "originally intended." I think that means that "Everyone who visits a Disney park on a given day should be able to get into an attraction or two without having to wait in a long line." It shouldn't just be the province of people who have figured it out, and use it to their personal advantage. To that end, I have two suggestions to make. I don't recall reading these particular suggestions before. Please tell me what you think..... (1) Everyone gets a max of 2 FastPasses per park per day. You get your 2, you're done. If you don't use your 2, then that "unused capacity" can't go to someone else. (2) Only you can use your FastPasses. Right now you put your daily ticket into a FastPass machine to get a time ticket. I would suggest that similar machines be put in at the FastPass entry point. Later on when you show up for your appointed time, you put your ticket in the machine again. It will check if you have a "reservation" and either allow you in or not. In this way the paper FastPass ticket means nothing except a physical reminder that you need to be back between 3 and 4. You can't give the ticket away. And if you lose it it can't be used by anyone else. What do you think?
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I don't see what difference it makes whether you use the FP or give it away. The computer still "sees" and reserves a place for that rider. It doesn't change the numbers up or down in any way. I do think FP must be used within the time window shown on the FP. Using it outside of those times is "abusing" the system, and potentially creates havoc with the stand-by line later in the day.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<It shouldn't just be the province of people who have figured it out, and use it to their personal advantage.>> Why not? there are people, like us on LP, who spend hours and months on the computer and on websites like this planning our trips. Why shouldn't we benefit from planning and knowing how the system works. It's not my fault that someone going for the first time only spends a few hours planning their trip. There are so many resources to find out info on FP and EMH and other sorts of things.
Originally Posted By t1lersm0m <<I do think FP must be used within the time window shown on the FP. Using it outside of those times is "abusing" the system, and potentially creates havoc with the stand-by line later in the day.>> Agreed, although I am definitely guilty of using it after the time frame expires when at DL last year.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >1) Everyone gets a max of 2 FastPasses per park per day. You get your 2, you're done. If you don't use your 2, then that "unused capacity" can't go to someone else.< Have you been reading my posts? To go one step further, I say one in the A.M. and one in the P.M.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Why shouldn't we benefit from planning and knowing how the system works. << Because I think the system should be fair to all. That means every one gets equal access. Some will use it. Some will not. But I don't think UNUSED CAPACITY should be picked up by someone else who might have already used theirs. Simple as that.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Fastpass is NOT unfair to those of us who arrive at opening of the park. The Original Intended use? ROFL! I don't see how they could have thought Fastpass would make people spend more time shopping. That is rediculous. I guess the person who sold THAT idea is no longer with the company. Truth be known, Fastpass is an out of control beast that Disney can't kill. I personally LIKE it.
Originally Posted By jomach08 <<<<Truth be known, Fastpass is an out of control beast that Disney can't kill.>>>> They can certainly kill it( pull the machines out and revert to pre-fastpass lines), I think controlling it correctly without killing it is the big problem. I think enforcing the time window is the first place to start in fixing it(despite the fact that I abuse the time window all the time).
Originally Posted By avromark Let me repeat Bad jomach08, Bad **slaps hand** never ever abuse it again
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost The best and only way to make Fastpass "fair" is to drop it like a hot potato. There is no other way. If this sounds familiar it is only because it has been discuss a zillion times and I always have the same recommendation. What can I say...I'm a creature of habit.
Originally Posted By avromark Well Fast Pass actually benefits those who have visited more then once the most, to be fair it should benefit those who never experienced WDW or DL before. So elimination is good, or perhaps get your 2 fast pass assignments at the ticketbooth, or a central machine before you enter the park. Have nice big touch screen as you enter select 2 fast passes, then a simple question of morning, afternoon, evening, night.
Originally Posted By avromark This would make access fair to people unfamiliar with the layout of the parks, and would make it so those who don't know about fast pass realize it may be free. Heck give the 2 assignments completely random, time and ride at time of media purchase or for AP's at time of entry to park for the day.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Fastpass is an out of control beast that Disney can't kill. << (1) Fix it so everyone gets a maximum of 2 FastPasses per day. Period. (2) Fix it so you can only use your own FastPass. You can't use someone else's.
Originally Posted By jomach08 I think it's ok to "abuse" it, if you know that they will never reject your after the time window. Think of it this way, if you found out that cops were no longer going to write speeding tickets, would you speed(assuming that you don't already)?
Originally Posted By avromark Speed limits are artificial limitations on something you already do, before fastpass no one except celebrities had this "Front of Queue" machine. It just didn't exist. It's a new system not a artificial limitation on something.
Originally Posted By jomach08 Speed limits are rules. Use of fastpasses during the printed time is a rule. Lack of enforment of rules, leads to more rule breakers, no?
Originally Posted By NJFIREGUY First the Title of the thread...It is certainly fair...everyone has the same opertunity to use it or not. I agree with Tmom...If you didnt do your homework for your trip to WDW shame on you. <<Lack of enforment of rules, leads to more rule breakers, no?>> Exactly if the CM's are not enforcing the FP rules either by choice or company policy that is a huge problem.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad All the talk about not enforcing Fastpass return times and number of passes AND fixing whatever this or that is IMHO .... bunk. I have NEVER been let through early AND never been let through with too FEW passes. EVER. I quite counting vacations at 25 two years ago. I cannot believe that there is a problem with enforcement. AND if you can READ, at full clear explanation is on the Park Map AND any CM will explain it.
