Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0</a>,2933,183168,00.html >>The U.S. Border Patrol arrested a Mexican immigration official who was allegedly trying to help a group of undocumented migrants sneak into the United States, the Mexican government said Sunday. Immigration agent Francisco Javier Gutierrez was arrested at a checkpoint near Alamogordo, N.M., about 100 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border, the Mexican Interior Department said in a news release. Gutierrez had been fired on corruption allegations last year but returned to his job after winning a court case in which he claimed he had been unfairly dismissed, according to the National Immigration Institute.<< >>U.S. Ambassador to Mexico Tony Garza sent a note to the Mexican government two days later urging it to clamp down on drug-related violence and corruption on the border region. Mexican Foreign Secretary Luis Ernesto Derbez responded by calling Garza's comments out of line and sending his own diplomatic note asking the ambassador to stop making public comments about security and immigration issues. Garza then sent a second note Friday, reiterating a request "that the Government of Mexico undertake additional measures to prevent cross-border violence and to provide our government with any investigative results they may have related to the violence." Also last week, a tunnel was discovered running about 2,400 feet from a warehouse near the airport in Tijuana to a warehouse in San Diego. More than 2 tons of marijuana had been found inside. It was unclear how long the tunnel had been in operation.<<
Originally Posted By cape cod joe This is my wife's hot button issue as O'Reilly REALLY got the country thinking about this issue in the last year. It's getting uglier and uglier Dark.
Originally Posted By cmpaley DB, I like you and all, but other than banging war drums against Mexico, what's the point of these posts? Let's just declare war on Mexico, annex it as part of the American Empire, enslave the Mexican population and move on. That's what Empires do, after all.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut you really have a chip on your shoulder cmpaley. News is news. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Just because you ignore it wont make the problem go away. <<Gutierrez had been fired on corruption allegations>> am I the only one who finds this so contradictory to the rest of the govt officials?
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>you really have a chip on your shoulder cmpaley. News is news. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. Just because you ignore it wont make the problem go away.<< Whose ignoring anything. I just asked a question and made a rhetorical comment.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut by calling his post a banging war drum. You want to not have anyone post topics like this and not do news stories on it if you had your way.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Outstaning NUUT! This is a CRITICAL issue that hits home hard here on the cape with over 20,000 Brazilians alone in a heavily service trade economy. I recommend for Paley to watch FOX to keep up with this stuff that no one else covers. Of course, people around here just DON'T want to see anything that doesn't coincide with THEIR thinking. I'm different, I guess, as I savor other people's thoughts. Every human being is special so everyone is important, IMHO You're getting awful political here NUUT and controversial! heheh Trying to get like me?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer I think the fact that Mexican Military has been found NORTH of the Rio Grande, clearly on US soil is a serious matter. If any other military set foot on US soil without permission, it would be a declaration of war. Heck, how quickly would the Mexican Government be screaming if the US Military or Border Patrol was found South of the Rio Grande without permission. <a href="http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/mexico/20060128-0120-borderincident.html" target="_blank">http://www.signonsandiego.com/ news/mexico/20060128-0120-borderincident.html</a> >> It wasn't just Mexican military-style uniforms that suspected drug runners were wearing when they were confronted by Texas lawmen, the Hudspeth County sheriff says. The men carried Mexican military-issue weapons and drove a military Humvee, said Arvin West, whose officers who were involved in the standoff. "It was military,†he said Friday. “Due to the pending congressional hearings I can't comment further.†West said the determination that the equipment was military-issue came from the federal government, but he would not elaborate.<<
Originally Posted By patrickegan Why when someone brings up reality others regurgitate that nee jerk boiler plate hatemonger garbage? What’s the point of that, is it just a verbal red hammer and sickle flag being run up the pole? I didn’t see any of that in DB post it’s a story about a corrupt Mexican official aiding in breaking our laws. As an American taxpayer we should expect the government enforce the laws to stop/stem the tide of illegal sneaking/walking in mule’n drug’s, stealing program and services tax dollars from elderly folks who’ve paid taxes, fought wars, contributed to society. (And no, picking lettuce is not contributing to society.)They keep whining and crying that the schools don’t have enough money what do you think it cost to teach children that only speak Spanish? Any ideas on how that degrades the education American children get? How about the law enforcement costs? Or how much it cost to incarcerate illegal aliens in our prison system? How about the emergency rooms that are clogged with illegal’s getting primary care? Any idea what the American poor are going to do as health care cost keep skyrocketing and E-rooms closing? I know they’ll rely on Teddy to fix it. How about the loss of nature and pollution you left wing nut jobs used to bellyache about? Don’t care anymore or is the pot that much better that it just doesn’t matter?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Sheesh Patrick--------You're starting to sound like me! Thanks for doing my WIFE'S venting as you say much of what she says. The Factor, which people continue NOT to watch has been forcing the country to take notice, fortunately.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< The Factor, which people continue NOT to watch >>> Why would we need to watch it ourselves when we have LP members that just type into their WE posts what they were told on The Factor?
Originally Posted By CrouchingTigger I've tried to watch the Factor, and find it exciting when they do stuff like find keys under water to unlock their handcuffs. But everytime they get to the part where they eat worms 'n' stuff, I have to turn it off. Do they talk about news stories after the gross parts of the show?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3448496" target="_blank">http://www.dailybulletin.com/n ews/ci_3448496</a> >>Behind the war of words between Mexico and the United States concerning military incursions, the people who live and work along the border tell stories of helicopters, soldiers and dangerous encounters. A survey by the Daily Bulletin of border-area county and city law enforcement officers found a variety of experiences involving what some believe is activity by the Mexican military in the United States. On Monday, local law enforcement and Border Patrol agents had an armed standoff 50 miles east of El Paso with what they said they believed were Mexican soldiers. No shots were fired and the soldiers retreated back across the Rio Grande. Residents and lawmen along the border have reported similar stories for more than 10 years, said Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez. Gonzalez, a member of the Texas Border Sheriff's Coalition, a group of 16 departments along the border, said incidents similar to the standoff near Sierra Blanca are common. But, he said, some are worse than others. On March 3, 2005, a special task force investigating reports of Mexican soldiers crossing the border encountered what appeared to be a military incursion. "These individuals were wearing (battle dress uniforms), very clean-cut and in good physical condition," Gonzalez said. "They were walking in with backpacks and long-armed weapons inside our border." That night, 18 miles southeast of Laredo, Texas, the task force, which was made up of people from more than three law enforcement agencies, conducted a stakeout for what they said they believed were Mexican military. The group hid in the brush near an old gravel path called Caliche Road and waited, Gonzalez said. Later that night, one of Gonzalez's deputies spotted a group of five men in fatigues scouring the brush. Minutes later, more than 20 men followed them, dressed in military fatigues, wearing backpacks and armed with machine guns. "The (task force members) were scared and way out-numbered," Gonzalez said. "The surveillance team got out of the area and called for backup. (The deputy in charge) was afraid if they encountered these people there was going to be a shootout."<< And that is just the first bit of the article, you should go read the entire article, amazing amount of info.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe I have NO idea what post 11 and 12 mean as it has no bearing on the truth. I go into restaurants on the cape (heavily democratic) and the FOX is on ALL day. My friends all watch fox --fair and balanced. I have no idea about why the anger about a network that shows both sides on EVERY issue. You must be extremely closed minded is the only thing I can think of. I'll continue to watch fox, cbs, nbc, msnbc, hard-ball with chris matthews, larry king, etc and I WILL be well-informed to the best of my ability whatever that is, but I will never be like post 11 and 12. There are no smilies so I infer you're actually serious about those posts. They are not rational. No name calling from me or being mean spirited like those two posts but this is LP so I just don't care for the mean spiritedness of post 11 and 12.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe To Super and Crouching- I bet you a nickel, you won't watch the state of the union address tonight, and furthermore just spew venom at it's contents tomorrow. Just a hunch?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Funny NUUT Always a tension breaker you are! There may be that proverbial special place in Heaven for you.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Which one NUUT? the HEAVEN part or the special place whether you like it or not? hehe
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< My friends all watch fox --fair and balanced. I have no idea about why the anger about a network that shows both sides on EVERY issue. >>> Apparently they have repeated that same thing enough times that some people actually believe it. It's really quite astounding to listen to the noise machine and how they work. Just consider how much time they spend talking about the "mainstream media" and how you should not pay attention to it. Compare this to how much time is spent on ABC, CBS, NBC, or CNN talking about FOX News, Rush Limbaugh, or the Drudge Report - essentially zero. The traditional media spend almost all of their time talking about the stories of the day, whereas the noise machine devotes quite a good amount of time talking about the other media outlets and why you should ignore them. <<< You must be extremely closed minded is the only thing I can think of. >>> I don't know you personally, so I really couldn't make a comment like that about you one way or the other. The only way I know anything about you is based on your postings here. And you've talked quite frequently about the Factor, but I don't remember any other particular media source you've mentioned. <<< I'll continue to watch fox, cbs, nbc, msnbc, hard-ball with chris matthews, larry king, etc and I WILL be well-informed to the best of my ability whatever that is, >>> If you actually do watch CBS and NBC in addition to FOX News, then you do stand a chance at being well informed. I don't think that Fox, Drudge, Rush, or any one of other similar sources is particularly damaging or dangerous. They are part of a diverse media environment that is part of a functioning free press. When it becomes a problem is when people tune into only those sources for hours a day, and make it a point to listen to nothing else (and are proud of it). They have no idea if they're getting fair and balanced information or not. You know the tagline for America's Most Wanted? It's "It only works if you watch." The noise machine's tagline could be "It only works if you DON'T watch... any other media source." Half what they do to distort things would simply not work if you watched both them and other media outlets, which is precisely why they spend so much of their time trying to convince you not to.
