Originally Posted By Darkbeer Here are some comments made by police officers working the "event".... <a href="http://blogs.wizbangblog.com/2006/08/29/cops-comment-on-maywood-protest.php" target="_blank">http://blogs.wizbangblog.com/2 006/08/29/cops-comment-on-maywood-protest.php</a> (Note, there are a couple of quotes in the second letter that have 4 letter words) From the first letter..... >>I read a comment about the police not protecting you guys properly. I don’t know what happened in some of the incidents. I wasn’t there when your brother was taken down at gun point with his camera in his shirt. I wasn’t there when your sister was attacked by the other side. I was there when a group of immigrants was trying to sneak up on you guys from 60th st. Who knows what their plan was. We stopped them at Floral and turned them around. There was a bunch of them and they looked pissed. Of course, we were called every name in the book. I just couldn’t understand it (I wonder why). The city council is out of control in Maywood. There are 2 good councilmen and 3 bad ones. The leader is the Vice Mayor. He takes all his orders from the church. The police dept pretty much has its hands tied. They did disband the traffic unit by order of the city council. They do still impound cars but can’t put the state’s mandatory 30 day hold on them. Another agency has been enforcing traffic laws and impounding cars. The city has no authority over their officers. The city council is now drafting a plan to move from being a general law city to being a charter law city. For those of you that don’t understand the ramifications of this, here it is. Under a city charter, the city council makes all the decisions. Nothing has to be voted on by the people. The police officers can lose civil service rights. This will make them ‘at will’ employees. Can you see a cop getting fired for enforcing the law on one of the city’s migrant children. This sounds like a tyranny to me. By the way, in case you didn’t know, the Vice Mayor was at the demonstration. Guess which side he was on.<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer And here is a great point.... <a href="http://www.dailynews.com/bridgetjohnson/ci_4258266" target="_blank">http://www.dailynews.com/bridg etjohnson/ci_4258266</a> >>But when you have virulent protests that include a pre-teen boy yelling "f- that white b-" at a passing fair-skinned woman - me - something is seriously wrong. Especially when it comes from the side holding a banner that proclaimed "Say NO to racism."<<
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<There is a reason it was closed in 1921. Humans multiply quickly.>> The U.S. birth rate has declined from 24.1 per thousand in 1950 to 14.1 per thousand in 2003. Source: <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus.ht m</a> I don't think we need to worry too much about running out of room.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<According to a poll taken in Mexico, half of Mexico's population would move to the US if allowed to do so. >> I would love to see your source on that.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Here is an NPR article citing a Pew Hispanic Center Poll from August of 2005 <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4802654" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=4802654</a> >>Survey of Views in Mexico If at This Moment, You Had the Means and Opportunity to Move to the U.S., Would You? 52% Yes 46% No 3% Don't Know/No Answer<< (And yes, I know it doesn't add up to 100%, I presume due to rounding)
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Here is an NPR article citing a Pew Hispanic Center Poll from August of 2005 <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4802654" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=4802654</a> >>Survey of Views in Mexico If at This Moment, You Had the Means and Opportunity to Move to the U.S., Would You? 46% Yes 52% No 3% Don't Know/No Answer<< (And yes, I know it doesn't add up to 100%, I presume due to rounding)
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Here is an NPR article citing a Pew Hispanic Center Poll from August of 2005 <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4802654" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/templates/s tory/story.php?storyId=4802654</a> >>Survey of Views in Mexico If at This Moment, You Had the Means and Opportunity to Move to the U.S., Would You? 46% Yes 52% No 3% Don't Know/No Answer<< (And yes, I know it doesn't add up to 100%, I presume due to rounding)
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Oops, sorry for the Multiple Posts, and there was a typo in the first post.... It is 46% that would move to the USA and 52% that would stay in Mexico And here is the link to the actual Pew Hispanic Center report... <a href="http://pewhispanic.org/files/reports/52.pdf" target="_blank">http://pewhispanic.org/files/r eports/52.pdf</a> On the above question, they surveyed 1,200 Mexican residents, in a nationally representative sample, and has a 3% margin of error (from page 3 of the report)
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ I must admit that truly shocks me. Although it also shows that not only the poorest Mexicans would want to immigrate.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad The grass really is greener in the US. I don't think there is much chance of a Mex Flag raising in Mississippi...yet. Maybe we non-hispanic could all move there.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom In repsonce to post # 68: <<I must admit that truly shocks me. Although it also shows that not only the poorest Mexicans would want to immigrate.>> Doesn't shock me ( I'm not trying to be cinical here ). I seem to remember a poll of British people where 50% said if they could they would prefer to live in Spain. I mean, hey if its a better place and you have better weather. Then its a better place and you have better weather, right.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I would love to see your source on that.<< I couldn't find the original article that I read but found this: <a href="http://migration.ucdavis.edu/MN/more.php?id=1046_0_2_0" target="_blank">http://migration.ucdavis.edu/M N/more.php?id=1046_0_2_0</a> "A total of 20 percent of the Mexican respondents said that they would seek a job in the US in the next 12 months; seven percent said it was very likely, and 13 percent responded that it was somewhat likely that they would head for the US in search of work. Each one percent of those polled represents almost one million Mexicans, suggesting that almost seven million Mexicans would say, if asked, that they are very likely to seek US jobs in the next 12 months." And those number just represent the adults. Add family members and the number swells. And this study implies ILLEGAL immigration. Now imagine if the door was wide open.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<<<<<There is a reason it was closed in 1921. Humans multiply quickly.>> The U.S. birth rate has declined from 24.1 per thousand in 1950 to 14.1 per thousand in 2003. Source: <a href="http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus.ht" target="_blank">http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus.ht</a> m I don't think we need to worry too much about running out of room.>>>>> Any government source after 11/2000 is not trusted by any honest person.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I must admit that truly shocks me. Although it also shows that not only the poorest Mexicans would want to immigrate.<< Half of Mexico is dirt poor.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>The U.S. birth rate has declined from 24.1 per thousand in 1950 to 14.1 per thousand in 2003.<< And the Census Bureau estimates US population hitting 430 million by 2050.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >><<I wouldn't put it beyond the Minutemen types to stage such an event, either.>> I suppose it could be said that both groups involved were the more fanatical types.<< BINGO! The problem is that too many people on the Right accept, without question, the rantings of their fanatical types.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Would this flag thing even have happened if the SOS hadn't insisted on staging something in Maywood?<< NOPE!
Originally Posted By jonvn I have no problems with Mexicans. I do have a problem with people coming here and trying to make this another country. I have an even bigger problem with our government doing squat about it.
Originally Posted By bboisvert <<Until 1921 our country was wide open to anyone who wanted to come. I see no reason it should not be the same today, provided that no one is eligible for public benefits until they have become a U.S. citizen.>> I heard somewhere that the immigration flow was metered by the availibility of jobs for American citizens. When there are is a surplus of labor, then immigration is restricted. When there is are more jobs available than laborers, then the immigration flow is relaxed to allow more laborers into the workforce. At the turn of the 20th century, there was a boom in manufacturing, hence the need to increase the labor pool. The Depression caused an imbalance as there were more laborers than jobs, so the need to allow more immigrants was restricted. US corporations who hire undocumented workers are increasing the labor pool by paying less than minimum wage under the guise that "the free market" requires them to have a lower cost labor force. I feel that if we would get our tarrif policies in line like they should be, a US made widget that costs $100 would be able to compete with a Chinese widget that costs $40 but the import tarrif would add an additional $60 so that it evens out and the US company and the US worker doesn't get screwed. Clinton passing NAFTA, and now with CAFTA, there is even less of a chance that any of that will happen.
Originally Posted By cmpaley The more I learn about this, the more I become convinced that the Minutemen crazies wanted to get some inflammatory footage, so they went to a predominantly latino town and started instigating people. Sadly, it worked. My mother taught me that the best way to deal with people like that is to ignore them. Once they see that they don't get attention for their bad behavior, they get tired and go away.
