Originally Posted By jdub --to which I say: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA~! Check it out, from a longer AP article at <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/advertising/2005-10-24-milk-ad_x.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/money/ advertising/2005-10-24-milk-ad_x.htm</a> 'Got Milk' ad cheeses off baseball SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The latest "Got Milk?" commercial hit a little too close to home for Major League Baseball. Poking fun at the league's steroid scandal, the television ad for the California Milk Processor Board talks about a player getting pulled from a game "after testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance." In the next scene, a coach pulls a carton of milk from the slugger's locker. "There is nothing humorous about steroid abuse," says Tim Brosnan, executive vice president for business for the league. "I would think that the California Milk Processor Board and their advertising agency would know better regarding an issue that threatens America's youth."
Originally Posted By itsme >>"There is nothing humorous about steroid abuse," says Tim Brosnan, executive vice president for business for the league. ----- What is really humorous is how baseball doesnt really care about steriods though they claim to.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Funny how baseball reacted quicker to this "outrage" than they did through all the years of steroid abuse.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer What about ticket price abuse? Or taxpayer abuse when we're paying for these luxury playgrounds?
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden <<"I would think that the California Milk Processor Board and their advertising agency would know better regarding an issue that threatens America's youth.">> So I guess this means we can expect that high and mighty MLB won't be selling to the highest bidder, the rights to the Barry Bonds Steroid Enhanced Home Run Record Celebration when he passes Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron next year. What an absolute disgrace that will be. Please, please let him break the record in Philadelphia. We've booed Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny, I shudder to think of the reception Bonds would get.
Originally Posted By jdub Heh-- I might just mail them ALL some milk. And I reallly don't care how much time it takes to get there~
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider That's funny. What else is funny is the title of this thread. I envision The Incredible Hulk....or maybe a juiced up Barry Bonds, Mark McGwyre, Jose Canseco, Raffael Palmero or Jason Giambi?...it's sad I could list that many so fast....it's even sadder that that list is just a fraction of the possible list....
Originally Posted By peeaanuut Fa: Bonds has never failed a drug test when asked to take one. So accusing him of steroids is irresponsible. Just because some joker said it doesnt make it the truth.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 And just because he said he didn't take them ( ala Raffy ) doesn't make that true.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut <<And just because he said he didn't take them ( ala Raffy ) doesn't make that true. >> Innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around.
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden The really sad part is that more than likely, Aaron, a true hero in baseball and outside of the game, will have to follow Bonds around when the likelihood of Bonds breaking the record is close at hand.
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider >>Fa: Bonds has never failed a drug test when asked to take one. So accusing him of steroids is irresponsible. Just because some joker said it doesnt make it the truth<< You're telling me you think a guy who was a good ball player in his younger days....who then diminished in ability....and then suddenly in the era of BALCO he becomes the game's greatest hitter....years passed his prime.....doesn't seem a little suspect? He was in the guy's rolodex for crying out loud. Do you also know that baseball player's have it in their contracts that they can't be tested more than twice per season? They can also get forewarning (although they shouldn't obviously) of when the tests will be. Look at Jason Giambi, he had a mysterious stomach parasite that had reduced his weight and power considerably after they started testing for steroids...then his second test of the season passes...and so does that parasite....and suddenly he's God-like at the plate again. What a co-wink-i-dink!! If you do not believe the likes of Bonds and Giambi and McGwyre and Sosa were/are on steroids I think it's a bit naive. It's kind of unlikely that all these graying players will suddenly have an non-chemically assisted renaissance and not only do much much much better than they did in their youth but better than the greatest players to have ever stepped onto the field in THEIR primes. Look at it like this, Ruth's record stood for decades, it took decades and an extra week of play for Marris to break Ruth's record by ONE and THAT record stood for decades....then in one year Sosa and McGywre, two old players who were good (Sosa was average at best McGwyre and Canseco were great out in Oakland) players not only BOTH break Marris' record but do it by a number of extra home runs....in the SAME year? After decades of the record standing? Not even some of today's greats but two older, arguably washed up players in the end of their careers?? THEN Bonds comes and SHATTERS those records shortly thereafter...another old timer who was a very good player while younger but never came close to numbers like he has recently... Maybe they're just drinking their milk....
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Look at it like this, Ruth's record stood for >>decades, it took decades and an extra week of play for Marris to break Ruth's record by ONE and THAT record stood for decades<< Plus, Babe Ruth did all that stuff while chowing on chili dogs, smoking, chugging booze and carousing all night before a game -- all of which would probably be considered performance inhibiting behaviors. With that in mind, his records are in their own category.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 <<<You're telling me you think a guy who was a good ball player in his younger days....who then diminished in ability....and then suddenly in the era of BALCO he becomes the game's greatest hitter....years passed his prime.....doesn't seem a little suspect?>>> I'm not defending Bonds on the steriods issue but the records, stat's and facts do not support your statement that he was good in his younger days, was washed up and then bounced back. Bonds performance over the years has been one of the most consistent over time in the history of the game. Yes, his homerun totals jumped, but he was far from washed up. Also his performance at the end of this season did little to support your theory either. <a href="http://www.baseball-reference.com/b/bondsba01.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.baseball-reference. com/b/bondsba01.shtml</a>
Originally Posted By MrToadWildRider >>Also his performance at the end of this season did little to support your theory either.<< Wasn't he "Injured" for most of this season? I wonder if he caught that rare stomach parasite going around the Big Leagues this season? Also you're right his first few years in the league were his roughest, but that's true of most ball players. I think it's a little strange that his best seasons (using your own stats) are all after age 35 (2000) and are fairly consistant minus 2001 with his 73 homer season. Through his career he was a damn good player but look at his numbers, mid 30's HR wise with a few 40+ spread out over the course of a 13 year career with a batting average of high 200's to low 300's then all of a sudden he hits 35 and his HR's consistantly are above 45 a year with averages mostly in the mid 300's with a .370 year in there too? Keep in mind this is the same time frame that Sosa and Big Mac started launching bombs too. To all of a sudden add 10+ home runs a year and tack on +.080 to your batting average and a couple hundred to slugging % (which I'll be honest, I don't know how they calculate, it's something like the QB rating in football with RBIs and extra base hits with runners and all sorts of stuff so it is a significant number when talking about a hitter, especially a power hitter) and then after being so consistant with this new power the year they start cracking down on juicers he suddenly has to sit the season out? Would I convict the guy in a trial? No. I still have a little reasonable doubt but the circumstancial evidence is enormous.
