Originally Posted By davewasbaloo <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/geoffrey-lean/6617386/Cumbria-floods-theres-more-where-that-came-from.html" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ear...rom.html</a> Sadly many of our friends up north are being heavily effected, and Wales too. My heart goes out to those affected. To all those red state non believers, remember that Global Warming is indeed global. The US is the 2nd worst offender. I hope that Obama is able to make a real difference in Copenhagen.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthcomment/geoffrey-lean/6617386/Cumbria-floods-theres-more-where-that-came-from.html" target="_blank">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/ear...rom.html</a> Sadly many of our friends up north are being heavily effected, and Wales too. My heart goes out to those affected. To all those red state non believers, remember that Global Warming is indeed global. The US is the 2nd worst offender. I hope that Obama is able to make a real difference in Copenhagen.
Originally Posted By Kilroy ***To all those red state non believers*** I will assume you mean conservatives. And if my assumption is correct it looks to me like most conservatives understand the earth is getting hotter(so they are believers) but its due to 'natural' cycles and not man influenced or pooping cows
Originally Posted By Dabob2 But to believe that the cause is purely part of the natural cycle (as opposed to natural cycle plus man-made causes), they have to ignore an awful lot of science.
Originally Posted By Mr X Why does it even matter whether or not it's our fault or not? I mean, if it's a "natural" cause, does that mean we still shouldn't do something about it even if our major cities are about to flood over?
Originally Posted By Kilroy ***Why does it even matter whether or not it's our fault or not?*** EXACTLY!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo What matters is whether it is fully man made (doubtful) or a natural cycle (excallated by humanity - very likely). Should we not do everything in our power to slow it down? I do know some christian southerns who still claim it is a myth and go about their lives with no change. But only together can we slow this thing down.
Originally Posted By Kilroy ***Should we not do everything in our power to slow it down?*** We had better or our grandchildren are going to look mighty tan and brown with astronomical cases of skin cancer, famine and mass panics. And the worst thing is Disney World, Tokyo Disney, Amsterdam and millions and millions will be underwater. I am glad that I won't be here to see the global chaos.
Originally Posted By Mr X Rather cynical of you to assume it will occur slowly. But even if not, you don't give a rat about your grandkids?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< But even if not, you don't give a rat about your grandkids? >>> Take a poll to see how many Americans believe that it's "very likely" or "certain" that Jesus will have returned to earth within two generations of now. Once you have identified that set of people, ask them what their opinion is of global warming and whether we should take actions such as reducing carbon emissions. Not only am I convinced that you'd find a striking correlation in the answers, I think it goes a long way in answering your question.
Originally Posted By Kilroy A davewasbaloo ****Should we not do everything in our power to slow it down?**** B Me ****We had better or our grandchildren are going to look mighty tan and brown with astronomical cases of skin cancer, famine and mass panics.**** C You, Mr.X ****don't you give a rat about your grandkids?**** Your C response to my B reply to A looks out of place. I do give a rat about my, your(if you have) and everyone else's grandchildren that is why I worry about skin cancer and famine due to a hotter planet.(see my B comment) Anyway I think you and I agree that the whole planet, should be doing something or there won't be much quality of life in the future.
Originally Posted By DAR Some of the green products that companies sell are a little on the pricey side. I'd like to do my part but it should cost me an arm and a leg.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<Some of the green products that companies sell are a little on the pricey side.>> Agreed, and I think the government needs to put their money where their mouth is and start subsidizing these types of products (and green technologies too). I'd much rather they subsidized green products and technologies instead of giving tax breaks to oil companies.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo That's right. In our house we try to buy fair trade organic products as often as possible. However, I must confess since the start of the recession, we have had to make some tougher choices. Agreed if tax breaks went into social value commissioning more often, they would start to become the natural choice.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 True, the green products are often more expensive. It's the same with healthier food options too. Sometimes it's cheaper to buy the junk food, which people do. It's no wonder we have an obesity problem when the cheapest option is the worst for you.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Very true gurgitoy. Since I have started eating properly on the road, it costs me twice as much. But sometimes it is worth it to pay more.
Originally Posted By DAR And let's talk about the design of some of these greener cars like the Prius or the Volt. At the very least make them look appealing.
