Originally Posted By Erjontem I would have to say I'm much more excited about Tangled now than I was about Princess and the Frog last year. True, 2D trumps 3D any day (as these beautiful concept art drawings of Tangled on Facebook keep reminding me...), but I'm still more excited about Tangled than I was about PatF. Here's why: - More buzz, with consistent rave reviews so far. PatF's early reception was pretty lukewarm -- deservedly, in my opinion. I remember one early reviewer mentioned story problems, especially when it came to characters' motivations, which I found right on the money. Tangled seems to blow everyone away. - Alan Menken vs. Randy Newman. Enough said. - Following frogs around just doesn't seem as exciting as watching human characters throughout a film. - Beneath the marketing ploy that shows Tangled as a Shrek wannabe, I'm starting to believe the movie has the potential to be an epic fairy tale in the tradition of Cinderella and Beauty and the Beast. Princess and the Frog just seemed goofy to me from the start. Maybe it was the Ray fart joke in the trailer, but I never thought it would rise to the elegance of a true Disney classic. - I thought Tiana was a great character: hardworking, headstrong, persistent, and fearless... But Rapunzel just looks like she's a lot more fun! She's slightly wacko in her wild enthusiasm, and I find that somehow adorable. She reminds me of Ariel, whereas Tiana was more of a serious Belle type. - Visually, Tangled is definitely much more impressive. Say what you will about 2D vs. 3D (and I'm the first to say I prefer the former by far), but those backgrounds in Tangled look far more spectacular than anything the Princess and the Frog trailers showed. I may think of other arguments later... What do you guys think? Were you more excited about PatF, or are you like me?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I wasn't excited about PatF. I'm not excited about Tangled. I am excited about HP7 which I'd rather see. I'm also excited about Brave in 2011. Tangled... not so much. I guess you could say I'm really burned out and bored with WDAS films.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I was excited to see PATF. I saw it, and it lived up to my expectations, and in some cases (Randy Newman music) it even surpassed them. I am moderately interested in Tangled. I think a lot of my interest in it comes from trying to figure out what the film actually is, since we know that it is not being portrayed clearly in the trailers. Without hearing any of the music, seeing the villainess, or really knowing what the major conflict is that will carry the 90 minute story, there's really nothing that interests me at this point from what I've seen. This isn't a Dreamworks movie. There's a story to it. Yes, there may be some jokes along the way, but there's also a plot. None of the trailers so far have hinted at any of that, other than the generic 'girl stuck in tower'. That won't carry the film for the entire length, and there is more to it, yet they don't seem interested in showing any of that. While it is good to keep some things a surprise (like the entire 'bird' plot in A Bug's Life that was completely left out of the trailers), I think they're leaving a little too much to chance.
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt I lived PATF & I can't wait to see Tangled. How many times have you seen a trailer, thought it'd be great &..... It stunk! Who knows..it looks cute.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Speaking of Dreamworks, just saw a preview for Megamind. Yeah -- not so much.
Originally Posted By basil fan Was extremely excited about PATF. Am very excited about Tangled. We shall see.
Originally Posted By DlandDug More excited about PatF then than I am about Tangled now. PatF was being given an enormous boost through the entire company. I was looking forward to the return of hand drawn animation. The clips I saw looked great. Tangled has been through too many "repositionings" to make me comfortable. I feel like there's some reason so much is being withheld. And what I have seen looks like some serious tampering with the original story (as in, it's been completely abandoned). I liked PatF very much, and I am holding good thoughts for Tangled.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Not. At. All. This film reeks of desperation (I rather enjoyed both Bolt and Princess and the Frog, so I am not down on Disney Animation, even if Iger is!) ... from the name change ... to the deliberate 'Dreamwork'/Shrekian look/humor. I don't think this is going to be a good film. Hope I am wrong ... but I don't think so.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I don't think this is going to be a good film. Hope I am wrong ... but I don't think so.<< Spirit ... I'm surprised at you! I don't know exactly who you is, but I do know that you are not exactly a Disney outsider like the rest of us unwashed masses. SURELY you know some people who can give you the straight unvarnished poop on what this flick is really like. If I am correct on this, then I strongly encourage you to check with those people before giving such a negative pre-review. I rather enjoyed Bolt and P&tF too, but the test screening of Tangled that I saw in May blew them out of the water. Just to reiterate one mo time for those that missed it, there is NOTHING Dreamworks or Shrekkian about Tangled. Not ... a ... dang ... thing. Yes, the ad campaign reeks of desperation, but that's the marketing department for you. The movie itself is a whole nother animal.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I have to disagree with you about there being nothing Shrek-like regarding 'Tangled', mawnk, duckling. At least if the trailers I've seen are anything to go by. For instance, Rapunzel drops her hair down on Flynn, knocking him to the ground, before he has a chance to finish asking her to throw it down. If that's in the final movie I don't know how more Shrek like they can be! And I HATE that scene because it takes away from the dignity of the story--which is what Shrek did with fairy tales, too!
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Witches, to be fair, we are seeing those scenes completely out of context, so it may not play as badly when seen in the movie. After all, the rest of the great Disney fairy tales all had their comedic elements. With that said, what I do find different here is that this time the Princess is actually getting-in on the humor - and I'm not sure how I feel about it. In the other Disney movies, it was usually the side-kicks, etc, who would make the funny jokes - the princesses always stayed, well, princess-like. This time, it looks like they made Rapunzel more comedic. It's more modern, but I'm not sure how that will come across on the screen.
Originally Posted By mawnck >> For instance, Rapunzel drops her hair down on Flynn, knocking him to the ground, before he has a chance to finish asking her to throw it down. If that's in the final movie ...<< I'm pretty sure it isn't.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I sure hope that scene isn't in the final film, mawnck, duckling. If it was, it would be like having Prince Phillip belch in Aurora's face before kissing her to wake her up. That's just too irreverent for us cauldron girls to handle. ORDDU: And as far as injecting any modern ideas or attitudes into a period piece fairy tale, we're against it because it ends up cheapening the story. We want something that remains faithful to the time period they're supposed to be living within. As we've pointed out before, if you want contemporary themes in your movies then go see a modern movie--but leave the period pieces alone. Let them have the chance speak for themselves in their own time. Let the old souls live again. Old souls are so refreshing and more so than ever in the midst of this modern, dreary world.
Originally Posted By Y Tywysog Disney I think The Witches of Morva need to find a certain oracular pig, to tell us how the film will turn out (if we don't want to wait a month ... if not, there's always Merlin, and we all know he can see the future But on a serious note, what the Witches said about injecting modern ideas and attitudes is something that is seen in The Sword in the Stone (1963), which is why the film has become quite dated, for example at the end of the film, Merlin says "they might make a motion picture" and Arthur doesn't know what that is, and then he explains "that's something like television.. without commercials"
Originally Posted By basil fan >>Merlin says "they might make a motion picture" and Arthur doesn't know what that is, and then he explains "that's something like television.. without commercials" Gee, I always thought that was funny. Great Mouse Detective <a href="http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/basil/bakerst.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/...rst.html</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The Witches of Morva need to find a certain oracular pig, to tell us how the film will turn out << Plenty of reviews online from people who have seen the advance previews, including this opinionated blowhard here: <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-113787-P-1.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-1.asp</a>
Originally Posted By Erjontem THANK YOU MAWNCK!! Honestly, since your review of it sometime ago, you've singlehandedly made me excited about a movie I'd pretty much given up on. Whatever the final product is worth, thank you for making me wonder again in a way that I hadn't in about a decade! Also, I'm relieved to find out you think Tangled blows PatF out of the water. That movie did just as well as it deserved to do, in my opinion, and I'm glad your endorsement of Tangled isn't just the automatic thumbs up most Disney fans gave PatF.
Originally Posted By mawnck I have to emphasize that I really liked P&tF. The music was very authentic-sounding New Orleans, which I'm a big fan of (apparently a lot of people aren't) and I really enjoy tour-de-force eye-candy-filled animated musical numbers (P&tF was full of 'em). I thought Charlotte was an absolutely brilliant creation - as with Tinker Bell they took an inherently unlikable character and made the audience love her to pieces - and thought Dr. Facilier was a terrific villain. Tiana was a well-realized character who I was rooting for through most of the movie, and Prince Naveen, well, he was a little one-dimensional, but adequate. I came out of the theater LOVING P&tF, and it was only after repeat viewings in the privacy of my home that I came to appreciate the stuff I didn't like about it. (I can say the same for Snow White, Pinocchio, Bambi et al.) Too much frogness, too many "convenient" plot developments, some ill-conceived secondary characters and side plots. But no movie is perfect. Mermaid, B&tB, Lion King et al certainly weren't. And I think your average movie goer, as well as your above-average Disney nut, will find so much to like about Tangled that its few flaws will be forgiven. (FWIW - that sequence in Tangled I thought they should change? Sounds like it's still in.) And yeah, I think it's a way better movie, with more solid story telling, than P&tF.
Originally Posted By basil fan >>I thought Charlotte was an absolutely brilliant creation Got that right. She has become my favorite from the movie. >> I'm glad your endorsement of Tangled isn't just the automatic thumbs up most Disney fans gave PatF. Excuse me for saying so, but that just bugs me. The only way someone's opinion can differ from yours is if it's "automatic"? Heck, I used to have a friend who preferred Return of Jafar to Aladdin. Did I agree? No, but that didn't invalidate her opinion. Dis the movies you hate if you like, but don't dis the people who like them. It's just rude, IMHO. House of Mouse <a href="http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/disney/house.html" target="_blank">http://www.whatsitsgalore.com/...use.html</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Dis the movies you hate if you like, but don't dis the people who like them. It's just rude, IMHO.<< I didn't take it like that. I took it to mean he appreciated that I tried to do the movie reviewer thing and fairly describe the positives and negatives, rather than being an indiscriminately gushing fanboy. There is a lot of that within any fan community, and most definitely in ours. (Cough-Muppets-Cough.) Perhaps it could have been expressed a bit more gracefully though. I reiterate again, I really liked P&tF myself, and am a little baffled at those that don't. And "preferring" RoJ to Aladdin may be valid, but saying it's BETTER than Aladdin most certainly is not. Aside from not possessing an appreciation of good storytelling and quality animation (things RoJ is a tad short on IIRC), some people just ain't got no taste in movies. You gotta draw the validity line somewhere or you end up raving about that awesome new Yogi Bear movie, eating KFC Double Downs for breakfast, and voting for people like .... But I'll save that for World Events.
