Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Well,here's the thing- and I'll sort of take a position here. I'm more than willing to believe it was a slip-up. However, Palin is Fox's golden child, and it is undeniable they'll do anything to help make her look good. They've lied and distorted about so many other things, especially since Obama took office, that they have zero credibility with me. If someone with experience in the field says this kind of a slip up can happen, then fine. But we're not talking about CNN, NBC or even PBS. It's Fox. Assigning a reasonableness standard to them, I'd then like to think after the first screw up they'd make double sure they don't mess up a second time. But they did. So when do we stop giving them the benefit of the doubt?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It's possible that the anchor was ad-libbing a bit. Maybe he'd been told by a producer that they would have some fresh footage showing the adoring Palin crowds. Maybe his mouth started going, on live TV, before he even realized they were cutting to old campaign trail footage. I'll give them that possibility. So, that said, where's the correction? When news organizations make errors, the thing to do is publish or broadcast some sort of retraction or clarification. If it was merely an honest mistake, a few words like "Earlier we reported on the crowds waiting to see Sarah Palin, and mistakenly ran footage from the 2008 campaign. It was our mistake -- that's live TV folks!"
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << There is simply no benefit in putting up campaign footage and trying to say that this is the crowd that came out to see her sign her book. >> Did you see the footage of the Palin book signing crowds shown on the other networks? I did. It was a creepy collection of teabag rally nuts. Why would Fox want to expose the truth about the kind of people who show up to a Palin book signing when they can show much more benign footage from the 2008 campaign that won't expose the fact that Palin's followers are mostly lunatic right-wing fringe?
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Ahh, it's about time we heard from a small minded idiot. C'mon, X, look at your post. You could have easily showed that you disagree with me without being needlessly nasty. But your mind seems to be small enough to only be able to communicate in one way.*** I was "nasty" by saying I think you're talking out of your ass, that's certainly true. But it's also something I feel is true based on your ridiculous comments. Your rebuttal is to call me stupid and small minded. Twice. Brilliant comeback there pal. Oh, and you worked in TV? Was your boss Rupert Murdoch by any chance?
Originally Posted By danyoung >So, that said, where's the correction?< If they really said or showed something that was out of line, then yes, they'd need to do a correction. But for a little flub like this? I'm sure they don't even think of it as anything to correct. And why would anyone want to point to their flubs and bring more attention to them? But after it was put on Youtube, perhaps there was a correction somewhere in the 24 hour news cycle that no one has seen or published to Youtube. And X, glad to see you're back in the game. We've had a nice discussion about this over the course of the day, and I don't think anyone has been rude or condescending or stooped to name calling. Except you. You did it first in this thread, guaranteeing a like response from me. If you ever want intelligent conversation, I'm all for it. If you want to keep name calling, then keep up your current behavior, and I'll be happy to sling a few "idiot"s back your way.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But after it was put on Youtube, perhaps there was a correction somewhere in the 24 hour news cycle that no one has seen or published to Youtube.<< I hope so. And maybe it was. Responsible news outlets (print, broadcast, online) do own up to mistakes once they've been pointed out. Now, the New York Times isn't going to publish a correction box if there is a simple typo. And this could be seen in some ways as a simple typo. Normally it wouldn't be all that big of a deal. Except for the fact that it seems to keep happening on Fox, and they'd just gotten a spank for this from Jon Stewart's show a few days prior, resulting in Hannity having to do a smarmy "apology" on his show (he, too, blamed it on a "mistake".) So it really does get hard to know when it is just a simple flub and when it is intentional. But it shouldn't be up to YouTubers or The Daily Show to keep Fox somewhere in the bounds of fairness. Some of it Fox should take on itself and be more mindful of it.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***We've had a nice discussion about this over the course of the day, and I don't think anyone has been rude or condescending or stooped to name calling. Except you. You did it first in this thread, guaranteeing a like response from me.*** Wrong. I said I think you're full of it. You had every right to prove me wrong, by illustrating how your comments were actually, you know, backed up by facts. Instead you call me a small minded idiot. Probably because you're full of it and can't back up your comments by, you know...facts. Keep tryin though, you'll get it someday.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But for a little flub like this? I'm sure they don't even think of it as anything to correct.*** I'm sure you're correct in that they think along such lines. But you're wrong to call it a "little flub". It's propaganda, bald faced and shameless. And it's not the one clip, it's such "little flubs" and comments and mis-truths repeated over and over and over and over. Goebbels was great at that kinda stuff, you should read about him. “The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over” Joseph Goebbels Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive. Look at the huge crowds of protesters/supporters! Unbelievable turnout! Watch the video, these crowds are massive.............
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Watch the video, these crowds are massive...<< MUCH more at the link!
Originally Posted By Mr X Thing is, Darkbeer misses the boat entirely since he ignores the quote from Goebbels and writes about anything and everything he can dredge up, often nearly simultaneously. FOX makes no such error.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "***X, back off, you were out of line.*** How so?" Post 5. You weren't even in the thread until that point, and then you come out with this little gem: "Show some proof. I think you're full of crap. Prove me wrong." It's a confrontational post, loaded with disrespect for someone you've had no interchange with in the thread. And it went downhill from there. You could have just said you think he's wrong or you disagree and here's why. But you didn't.
Originally Posted By Mr X I see your point, but I have little patience for people who try to defend or whitewash propaganda. It's dangerous.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones When it's Fox News it's going to be endlessly scrutinized, like when when it's Obama, Fox News endlessly scrutinizes...
Originally Posted By danyoung >I see your point...< I'm going to be magnanimous and accept your apology, even though you didn't direct it at me. >I have little patience for people who try to defend or whitewash propaganda.< I have no doubt that Fox regularly engages in propaganda. I simply dispute that this was a case of that. And I do so dispute with a background and knowledge of video and news production that far surpasses yours and possibly anyone else on this thread. I don't do this with any sense of superiority at all. It's just that I've been there, for many years, and know how easy it is to make a mistake. And from long experience I know how easy it is to jump on this kind of mistake and scream "FOUL! INTENTIONALLY MISLEADING PROPAGANDA!" Again, Fox gets it wrong a lot of the time. In this case, and in my experienced opinion, they just goofed.
Originally Posted By danyoung Thanks for the support, SPP. Some people just can't be reasonable no matter how easy you make it for them.
Originally Posted By Mr X Fox, an organization known for their propaganda tactics, displays "wrong" video TWICE in favor of making the fringe element look more impressive than they really are and you call it a "goof" (twice, I suppose). Whatever
