Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Okay -- here's my take on why the MK submarines had to go away. High maintenance cost and low thruput? Of course. But that would only require stopping them. Instead they spent a lot of money to fill in the lagoon, and then rip out the sub show building floor. Why? I believe that the lagoon and show building floors were leaking. And that was causing long-term damage to the utilidor and locker rooms nearby. They would have had to spend LOTS of money to stop this damage. And it just wasn't worth it compared to it's already high cost. The subs died because they needed more than upgrading. They needed to have their whole basic infrastructure redone. The utilidors and locker rooms were not really under the lagoon. But they were definitely lower than the lagoon. And literally right alongside. Any leaks from the lagoon would definitely affect the utilidors. My evidence? The floors in the locker rooms all have peeling floor tiles. It smells damp and somewhat moldy in there. The rugs in the nearby corridors are water damaged.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy The subs in Disneyland could be salvaged. They don't have subterranean structures under them. If they leak, it doesn't matter as much.
Originally Posted By SJHYM If that were the case then the lagoon would have been filled in years ago. Disney would not have let several more years of leaking happen.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy When was the lagoon filled in? It's been filled in for as long as I can remember. Can you tell me more about why the floor of the sub show building was removed? That big grassy field out back?
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Maybe by you guys. What I'm quoting here is my own observations of the lagoon area and utilidors, not what I might have gotten from someone else. I haven't published my own observations before. Is there a way to find older LP threads on a topic that may have been discussed before? You know, like a Google search on "lagoon" or something? I'm interested in the timeline on this.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> Disney would not have let several more years of leaking happen. << Maybe. But it's possible they tried for a long time to repair the damage and finally had to end the lagoon entirely only as a last resort. Speculation.
Originally Posted By tonyanton The lagoon was only filled in completely in late 2003 into 2004. When I was there in December there were still walls around the site, though most of the work was finishing up.
Originally Posted By SJHYM ^^^Correct. The womans locker room in the tunnels has had water leaks since the early 80's. At different times I was told that it was the A/C system, the 20K Lagoon, bad water pipes. My guess is that its the lagoon, BUT thats not why 20K was closed. There was a long discussion about this a couple of months ago here that you might want to check out. I wouldnt believe the Jim Hill version of the story at all. Its all a bunch of horse feathers.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Thanks for the update. >> There was a long discussion about this a couple of months ago here that you might want to check out. << I will try to locate this. Any links you could help with? >> I wouldnt believe the Jim Hill version of the story at all. << I will try to look this up as well. So what is the gist of what he has to say? Many threads I've read on this pretty much put the whole thing onto one of our current or recent managers that they don't like.
Originally Posted By beamerdog Here's what I copied some time ago about searching for old lp topics: >>Well, this seems too obvious, so maybe I missed something. But it seems to pop up every now and then, that someone is wishing for a way to search the LP message boards. So, here it is! Go to: <a href="http://www.google.com/advanced" target="_blank">http://www.google.com/advanced</a> _search?hl=en Type what you want to search for. Go down to the "Domain" line and enter: <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/</a> Voila! It's amazing! 2 NEW! LuLu Tue 8/9/2005 9:06a More google info from my health guru: <a href="http://www.mercola.com/2005/au" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/2005/au</a> g/9/google_name.htm <a href="http://www.mercola.com/2004/ap" target="_blank">http://www.mercola.com/2004/ap</a> r/7/google_guide.htm 3 NEW! LuLu Tue 8/9/2005 9:07a LOL! <a href="http://tinyurl.com/7k2lx" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/7k2lx</a> Hope that helps.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy beamerdog -- Thanks for the LP Google search method. I guess I had seen this once a long time ago, but it had since gotten lost in the mists of my increasingly crowded memory. Doobie should put this information on a page so you could reach it from an LP "Find A Discussion on a Topic" help link. That way it would never be forgotten.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy What I'm looking for is topic information from people who actually know, or from people who have at least been there and seen things themselves. I'm less interested in hearing what somebody "heard" from someone else, too often third and fourth generation rumors. That's all interesting too, and usually contains some kernels of truth. But overall it's much less reliable. People tend to add things as they go, which then become part of the "facts" downstream.
Originally Posted By Wbnemo1 got to 20kride.com...and look around there....I know why, but won't say on a public forum, sorry! William
