Originally Posted By HyperTyper Have they lost their minds???? (And hearts?) The people at NBC have censored their presentation of the popular "VeggieTales" animated program because the original version mentions such extremist messages as ''Remember kids, God made you special and he loves you very much' ... a phrase that's supposed to come at the end of every episode. NBC struck-down such messages as incompatible with their standards practices, which claim to keep to 'universally accepted religious values.' The network also claimed to be avoiding advocacy of any one doctrine or denomination. WHAT???? I'm sorry, but I'm unaware of ANY religion that teaches that God hates children. Did I miss something? Of all the faiths in the world, who would possibly be offended by that? (Unless it's someone who finds it blasphemous that religion and vegetables should touch on their plate.) What's more, when has NBC, or any other network, ever made a real effort to appeal to 'universal values?????' Unbelievable. This may shock some, but there are a few MILLION people in this country who don't believe in casual cursing, wanton vulgarity, casual sex, wanton violence, and the BULK of the material NBC spews on the airwaves. They find something so innocent as a faith-professing vegetable offensive, but they sure don't mind mocking religion and using it for entertainment (from SNL's Church Lady to NBC's upcoming Madonna special). It's not that networks can't air religious material, or that people are really offended by it. CBS found a surprise hit in "Touched by an Angel," which mentioned God all the time! What exactly does the media think of you and me, and our children, that we can't handle religion and broccoli? How bad have things gotten that neverending streams of profanity, sex, drugs, violence and vulgarity are seen as "universal" but a simple mention of God's love for children is offensive? How can we have fallen so far? How sick and warped is a society that thinks this way? I'm curious to know if anyone else sees the hypocrisy of this. Mind you, it's not going to ruin my day. There are already plenty of reasons to do other things than watch TV. But this really shocked me, that a network would have its own 'values' so out-of-line with what I thought were most people's. The media has literally become a devil's playground. We used to have a good, solid block of family shows like "The Waltons," "Little House on the Prairie," "The Wonderful World of Disney", etc. Even "The Dukes of Hazzard," back in the day, had regular themes of integrity, honesty and family. (And, yes, God.) It wasn't all Daisy Duke's short shorts. Now, "family" shows are "Extreme Home Makeover" (where good people have their house remade by a herd of fighting, self-absorbed home decorators), "America's Funniest Home Videos" (where bathroom humor and groin hits abound) and "According to Jim" and "Everwood" (where sex, and families, and sex are the main topics). I can't think of one single network program that's appropriate for young people, where the language is innocent, sex is kept private and respectful, and God might even be thanked at the dinner table on occasion. We've arrived at a point where good is bad and bad is good ... literally. How pathetic.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/22/veggietales.controversy.ap/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBI Z/TV/09/22/veggietales.controversy.ap/index.html</a> From the link- >Vischer (the show's creator) said he understands the network's position. "`VeggieTales is religious, NBC is not," he said. "I want to focus people more on `Isn't it cool that Bob and Larry are on television."' Marks said the network is "committed to the positive messages and universal values" of the show and expects "VeggieTales" to continue airing. But Bozell is not satisfied. "If NBC is so concerned about that four-letter-word God, then they shouldn't have taken `VeggieTales'," he said. "This just documents the disconnect between Hollywood and the real world."< I can understand the furor here, but there's somewhat of a credibility problem with Bozell. EVERYTHING offends him. At one point, his group was responsible for almost all the indecency complaints the FCC received. That could still be the case. He cries wolf so often that if he has a legitimate beef it gets lost in all his noise.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<''Remember kids, God made you special and he loves you very much' ...>>> NBC and ABC facist feminist's objected to this part. They wanted it changed to, "Remember girls, God made women special, and men are our slaves to be used as beasts of burden and cannon fodder."
Originally Posted By jdub >>"If NBC is so concerned about that four-letter-word God, then they shouldn't have taken `VeggieTales'," he said<< I agree. NBC should not have taken "VeggieTales." As funny as the program is, the only way it belongs on commercial broadcast television is as paid religious programming.
Originally Posted By teddibubbles (( NOTE: As Teddi Climes up on soapbox! and a bit off topic!)) I have noted ALL the Down hill descent. I think more than anything! Its time to ask ourselves . WHO and WHAT we believe in! the word says " when I come back " WILL ? " I find " ANY " faith full? " we have been spoiled as Gentiles! Anyone looking at world Events MUST recognize the change of the times! we as a people must see how the word says " Their hearts will fail them for fear of what is coming upon the earth!" We as believers. must recon with the fact. we where given armor for a reason! you only NEED armor if a war is coming! AND IT IS! we have SAT !! long enough in our STALE PEWS. and not REALLY seen the battle! we have lived in a cusion! in and on our life. and gone asleep! when 911 happened it was a wake up call to the FACT ! paralus times are coming! and when we take our eyes off the fact ! of THIS COMING WAR! we LOSE ALL! the devel is hunkering down around us in our dayly lifes! and We turn our blind eye! to that fact! if you think on the conformity we have been practicing. you will note! that if you side AGAINST the tide of flow in a popular consensus . you will meet with VERY heavy opposition! yet .we are USE TO. siting back hopeing for the best! or too set in our OWN LIFES ! to truly be afective in WHAT we profess! yet Don't practice! Who ARE you SERVING? SELF? or a HUGE POWERFUL GOD? Why dont you SEE and FIGHT this War? so Go back to sleep! Or WAKE UP AND SMELL THE END TIMES GUYS! Dig out you Battle Gear! and GET REAL!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<If NBC is so concerned about that four-letter-word God>> I know what he meant, but it's funny nonetheless.
Originally Posted By teddibubbles I was saying. we sit back. and like watch programs. and think I can handle that! Not Recognizing . that we AND our family. ARE being affected INSIDE! we harden our hearts. and conform to the world! . and I believe that its time to (( For real ))get on our faces before God and come to a (( NEW!!)) deeper relationship in him ! then we have ever known! that only a FRESH REAL grasp on the spirit in our NEW TIME NOW! can we tap into the strength to make it though this COMING WAR! its time to see we ARE as wishy washy as we can get! and only when we see or TRUE HEART. can we not keep setting asleep! but Find out HOW to put on our gear! in him! IN POWERMENT! AFRESH! is what we need! NOT to sit here ANYMORE! and PLAY Christian!. but to SEEK him In a REAL and POWERFUL way! on our face!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Maybe the networks shouldn't air inaugurations either, or any political event where a bible or God is mentioned.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Why dont you SEE and FIGHT this War?>>> I am. Anyone, who creates enemies, is your enemy. We are all one. Now, with computers, suppression really, really, really, is over. Only a fool carries water to a fire in a sieve. The time to learn honesty is now. I'm sorry i have such an unashamed headstart, but i do.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Marks said the network is "committed to the positive messages and universal values" of the show and expects "VeggieTales" to continue airing. < the fact that any TV network censors anything off, with the filth and violence they have on these days is crapola. There would be nothing left but sports and even that would have to have a dump button. according to the latest stats - people viewing NBC see 3.4 acts of violence per hour, but hey that word God is gonna set them down the wrong path...
Originally Posted By YourPalEd If my laziness is any indication of other people's laziness, then this society is in trouble. The only way to not be lazy thinkers at the same time is to be honest. Honesty actually is the easiest way to think, but you don't get senile, you actually have fun, living your life.
Originally Posted By ecdc "WHAT???? I'm sorry, but I'm unaware of ANY religion that teaches that God hates children. Did I miss something?" Whoa, watch out for your strawman, get it near a flame and it'll catch on fire. While I don't see what the big deal is with NBC broadcasting this, the whole story seems like it reveals the hypocrisy of the far right. They demand things be censored all the time - as soon as the shoe is on the other foot, we hear all about freedom of speech. What it comes down to is the religious far right (be it Christian in this country or Muslim extremists in others) is so sure of themselves and their truth that they just expect everyone else to go along for the ride. They *know* Jesus is the Christ, so it's a-ok to have nativity scenes on government property. They *know* sex is bad, so passing legislation that abstinence only is good (despite every study showing otherwise) is just fine. It doesn't work that way. We all don't buy into the fairy tale. As Bill Maher said on his show last night, there's a gap. People think they've got the answers, but God ain't talking back to them. So they fill in that gap with what they *think* or *want* God to say. But they're really just humans pushing their own agenda and claiming it came from God.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<It doesn't work that way. We all don't buy into the fairy tale.>> Who is we?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA My feeling is, you either show VeggieTales in full, or don't show it. If you don't like the message at the end of the program, then don't show VeggieTales. There are only 1704 other programs that can go in its place. And let another station show VeggieTales.
Originally Posted By ecdc "Who is we?" My point is one person's religion is another person's fairy tale. The "we" would be the non-believers of a particular religious slant.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<While I don't see what the big deal is with NBC broadcasting this, the whole story seems like it reveals the hypocrisy of the far right. They demand things be censored all the time - as soon as the shoe is on the other foot, we hear all about freedom of speech.>> It's statements like this that make it so hard to not make fun of liberals and call them names. Lets see here ecdc. Conservatives want to limit the amount of sex, violence, drug use, and cuss words on television. We figure these things might not be the best thing for our kids to see. Radical and extreme I know!!!!! You and your fellow liberals who like calling God a fairytale, want to ban any mention of God, Jesus, or religious messages. You know, messages like love your neighbor, work hard, be honest, stay off drugs, don't kill people, Jesus saves. Then you liberals wonder why America thinks you people are out of your mind as you wear your Hugo Chavez T-Shirts to the gay parade. It's little things like this that get my side soooo many votes.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA If you want to get irritated with anyone group --- get irritated and outraged with the producers of 'VeggieTales.' The producers of 'VeggieTales' live in a Free Market Society, and have the ability to say 'You either play these VeggieTales in full, or you can't play them at all.' The producers of 'VeggieTales' won't say that because they got lots of money from NBC. Instead, they whine about the country going to hell because no one appreciates the messages of 'VeggieTales.' Hey producers of 'VeggieTales' -- pull your show, prove to the world how much it means to YOU!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<If you want to get irritated with anyone group --- get irritated and outraged with the producers of 'VeggieTales.'>> The creator said in that had he known ahead of time that the show would be censored as much as it was, he wouldn't have signed the deal in the first place. It's likely he can't legally have it pulled now. I would also point out that the creator is not the one who is outraged, it's some other group.
