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Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Trayvon deserved to die if he attacked a person who represented no physical threat.<< And here, foolishly, against my better judgement, I've been trying to have a reasonable conversation with a troll. It won't be a mistake I repeat.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I can't believe he wrote that. Trayvon Martin deserved to die. George Zimmerman, who DISOBEYED the police dispatcher, was justified in killing Martin according to Donny. Donny has hollow point bullets and a hollow, pointy head. He may have written the most singularly stupid thing ever written on LP in World Events, and as we all know, there have been some really stupid things written here, many by him. But this one tops them all. Donny, there are not sufficient words to describe you or what you have written here. None at all.
Originally Posted By 182 If Trayvon felt that Zimmerman was stalking him he should have ran and called 911 if Zimmerman grabbed, said stop or I will shoot or something that made him a physical threat to Trayvon then that would be different but from what I think happened Trayvon was probably followed by Zimmerman and Trayvon thought he could get away with attacking Zimmerman but zimmerman did what he had every right to do stop an attacker who was a physical threat. Trayvon made Zimmerman make a very difficult decision. A Soldier,Policeman,security guard,and most people would have had to make the same decision if placed at that moment.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>>Trayvon was probably followed by Zimmerman and Trayvon thought he could get away with attacking Zimmerman but zimmerman did what he had every right to do stop an attacker who was a physical threat.<<< Why does this only go one way for you? If Zimmerman was following Trayvon and IF Trayvon did turn on him and attack him, did he not also have every right to stop an attacker who was a physical threat? If you were being followed and felt threatened, you know you would pull your gun. Trayvon didn't have a gun so, according to Zimmerman, he used his hands. How is it ok for Zimmerman but not Martin?
Originally Posted By 182 "If you were being followed and felt threatened, you know you would pull your gun." When my wife and I started dating I had the talk with her about when I might pull my gun,I told her I am not Batman just because someone is robbing a store does not mean I will pull my gun and save the day,In most cases unless the person represents an immediate threat I might just run. On my LDS Mission I had people follow me and one drunk man come nose to nose with me and I knew I could take him down but I didn'.I have block wath people question me why I am in the area and you know what I did ? I talked to them or kept walking. I think most people believe that Zimmerman might have said something like "who are you" or "get out of here" none of that justifies Trayvon physically attack Zimmerman" so in doing so Trayvon death is Trayvons mistake. Give me evidence to show otherwise and I could change my mind.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<A Soldier,Policeman,security guard,and most people would have had to make the same decision if placed at that moment.>> But the difference they're professionals
Originally Posted By 182 Yes but my point is that when someone physicaly attacks you. you don't try to figure out will they stop before they kill me ? unless someone is threstening to kill you,you don't have the right to turn it to physical. I have seen good people have to make the same choice when placed in the simular situation. I think Trayvon wanted to show Zimmerman who was boss and that was a bad idea,He should have just headed home.
Originally Posted By queenbee Did you carry your gun and hollow point bullets on your mission for the Prince of Peace through the LDS church?
Originally Posted By 182 I have had to pull my gun 4 times I am not including my military service 1.a guy was choking a girl 2. a guy was breaking into my home 3. a road rage situation where they guy followed me to a McDonalds where I was taking my 2 year old son. 4.A man who came to my apartment after I stopped his step son from Bulling a little hispanic boy None of those people had a gun that I know of but when I called the police to report the situation the police always let me know I was in the right.
Originally Posted By ecdc Four freaking times? Now I get why Donny is so defensive of Zimmerman. They share the same paranoid view of the world.
Originally Posted By 182 I have had a very interesting life and one thing I told my wife is that things just happen around me. I should write a book
Originally Posted By ecdc Uh huh. What a coincidence. Or, maybe what Kar2oonMan said is spot on: When you've got a hammer all problems look like a nail.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <if he attacked a person who represented no physical threat.> First of all, that's one big "if." There are no eyewitnesses to the confrontation still alive other than Zimmerman himself, who is obviously not unbiased. So we have no idea if Martin swung first. You seem awfully credulous in believing Zimmerman, considering how his story is full of holes. The closest thing we have to a witness is the audio from the phone call to the girlfriend. It is inconclusive, but if anything it leans towards Zimmerman swinging first. Then there's the audio from the 911 calls. Audio experts, using different methodologies, came to the same conclusion: the voice yelling for help was not Zimmerman. Having no audio sample of Martin, they couldn't say definitively that it was his voice, but he was the only other guy there. Then there's the fact that Zimmerman's story doesn't add up. He says Martin broke his nose. Yet there was no blood on his shirt - highly unlikely with a broken nose. He also says he shot Martin when Martin was on top of him. Yet there was none of Martin's blood on him either - that one just defies the laws of physics. So Zimmerman claims Martin attacked him, but the evidence we do have doesn't indicate that. But let's even say that Martin swung first. Let's examine the second part of your statement: "a person who represented no physical threat." Why would Zimmerman, who outweighed Martin by plenty, not represent a physical threat to him? We know from the call to the girlfriend that Zimmerman never ID'd himself as neighborhood watch. We also know that Martin posed the first question, "Why are you following me?" (Even Zimmerman's story has Martin speaking first.) Wouldn't it be incumbent on Zimmerman at that point to say why? That might have defused everything. Instead, he says something vaguely threatening: "what are you doing around here?" All Martin knows is that a). he's doing nothing wrong; b). he has every right to be there; c). there's this creepy guy stalking him who seems to object to his very presence there. As many others have said, even if Martin swung first, would HE have not been "standing his ground" albeit only with his hands? And the most important point, as always, is this: if Zimmerman doesn't follow Martin, none of this happens. It was Zimmerman who forced the confrontation. Try as you might, you can't get away from that.
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Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>It's like Vern in Stand By Me when his turn on the watch came up.<< ROFL!!! Exactly!
