Originally Posted By sweetpea70 <a href="http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/2007/07/vick-indictment.html" target="_blank">http://hsus.typepad.com/wayne/ 2007/07/vick-indictment.html</a> "....The legal case against Vick and his co-conspirators set out in the indictment is damning and chilling in its detail—unfathomable, as Sports Illustrated describes. Michael Vick will now face off in court against the United States of America....." This is a very disturbing and sad case. If any good can come of this it will be that the public outrage will bring an awareness and trigger a change. I wish the NFL would suspend him based on the indictment and not wait for him to be prosecuted. They have every right to do so and its been done before. I hope Nike drops him also.
Originally Posted By ABBY I like your thinking trekkeruss ! And I too hope he is suspended and dropped by Nike.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper If he is found guilty, which I suspect he will be, I think they should do to him EXACTLY what he did to the dogs.
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden sweetpea, I think what will happen is that Vick will take a leave of absence (self, team, or league imposed) in the next week or two and won't play at all this year. Also, I think the NFL is treading lightly it could very well be other NFL players involved. I was listening to the guy who runs profootballtalk.com this morning and he brought up a very interesting point. If Vick feels that he could be looking at some serious time, if other players were involved he might offer names as part of a plea bargain. Regardless, I hope Vick gets what he deserves.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Public sentiment is running so high against Vick right now I'm not sure how much of a deal he could cut. Moreover, I don't think Vick would name anybody else. If he thinks he stands any chance of an NFL career he'll keep his mouth shut as far as that goes. Not that I like that outcome, but that's likely the reality.
Originally Posted By LPFan22 What's good for the dogs should be good enough for him. He needs to be shot, body slammed and hung also. No? I'd at least put him in a pen and let the dogs bite on him for a few minutes.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder In the likely event Vick goes to prison, his celebrity won't protect him. He would have been better off electrocuting a person. In the tried and true hierarchy of prison, certain crimes are taboo. Crimes against children of course, and then there's something like this. While you'll find more inmates who would condone such activity, you'll find a lot more who don't, and will want to make a name for themselves. Vick won't have his offensive line protecting him (not that they did that good a job in the NFL).
Originally Posted By minniefan To my mind, anyone that would harm an animal is no different than a pedophile. There's something WRONG with them, some internal wiring is broken and can never be fixed. At a minumim, Vick should lose the privilege of walking around freely with the rest of us in civilized society. Sick sick sick!
Originally Posted By barboy "He would have been better off electrocuting a person." Oh yes, absolutely. Actually I would one up you and say that people are even more outraged over this discusting dog stuff than if he were involved in some child abuse ring.
Originally Posted By barboy Two questions: Why isn't Virginia bringing charges too? Viginia could and should bring felony indictments--- especially considering that the potential penalties at the U.S. level are lenient relative to the deeds alleged. Why only 4 charged when clearly multiple people were betting and encouraging this ring?
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden <<Why isn't Virginia bringing charges too?>> Here's a link: <a href="http://www.profootballtalk.com/USversusVick.htm" target="_blank">http://www.profootballtalk.com /USversusVick.htm</a> <<don't forget about the possibility of a state-level prosecution. Though most observers assume that Surry County prosecutor Gerald Poindexter has abandoned the investigation, the federal indictment could prompt Poindexter to explore animal cruelty charges, given the allegation that Vick participated in the killing of approximately eight dogs in April 2007. Alternatively, the Virginia Attorney General could feel compelled to act. Under Virginia law, the intentional killing of an animal is a Class 6 felony, which carries a sentence of one to five years, per count. For killing eight dogs, that's a potential sentence of anywhere from eight to 40 years. It could be that the feds opted to pursue conspiracy charges first because conspiracy charges were the easiest to prove to a grand jury. Next, the feds can turn to other potential charges, such as the underlying crimes mentioned in the current indictment or a RICO violation. The bottom line, then, is that things could get worse -- much worse -- for Vick as time goes by.>>
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<While you'll find more inmates who would condone such activity, you'll find a lot more who don't, and will want to make a name for themselves.>> I agree. Besides the taboo of the crime itself, inmates see celebrities (especially an NFL star with such clout as Vick) as a perfect opportunity to one up themselves. Take down an NFL star, you’ve got yourself a nice bragging point. Vick would always have a target on his back.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo And yes, I think a pitbull with a mouth full of Vick-scrotum would be fitting.
Originally Posted By pecos bill The guy has a hell of a lot of money. Just look at what it did for O.J.
Originally Posted By barboy "PIT DON'T QUIT" At school that was the common saying. In the 1970's I grew up in a town across the Golden Gate bridge, Sausolito, and I spent many, many days in the very small neighboring 99% black community of Marin City and pit bulls were the must have dog there. Male adolescents bragged about their "pits". I could not understand their fixation with what I as a boy viewed as a smaller, ugly dog(our family had big German Shepherds)until I saw first hand. The fights disgusted and horrified me. Dogs would bleed and cry out. Even the "pit" owners(male teens and boys) would cry when their dog got hurt. I saw one kid crying hysterically as he could do nothing while his dog was being torn up. I learned what "Pit don't quit" meant. (pit bulls might well fight to the death or go for the throat and won't let go) I wish I could erase those awful memories but once you see something that disturbing it tends to stay for years.
