Originally Posted By fkurucz <<<< The godawful 'leadership' that began in the mid/late-90s has finally come home to roost. >> Disney leadership is responsible for a global economic disaster?>> They are definitely part of the collective Corporate America Mindset that got us where we are today. They really thought that they could lay millions off, offshore their jobs and that there would be no consequences.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Universal and Busch are in the process of putting billions into Orlando over a three-year period. >> And they'll pay for it if the economic crisis persists for longer than the next year. Universal already has a serious cash flow problem. Don't expect GE to continue to pay the bills for them. Something will give. InBev isn't going to continue paying the bills for Busch either. I read a newswire item this afternoon where their plans for parks in Dubai are now officially cancelled. Expect more announcements like this one from all the themed entertainment companies.
Originally Posted By itsme Well, I would love to show how bad the great spirit looks with another one of his goofy threads but all that gets you is called a Disney apologist or you must work for Disney response, so whats the use. But one thing i got to ask and maybe someone else will answer it. Let me preface that I enjoy both other places in Orlando but when people talk about how great Universal is doing things I just wanna make sure this is the same Universal that in the last 10 years at Islands of Adventure the park has less rides/shows then when they opened and the the Studios a place that has added only new rides in the same amount as they have closed? Also you mean the same Busch park like in Sea World that has just started to make cuts and closings and that is basically on the market and gonna be dumped by the owners soon?
Originally Posted By dshyates Yep, and the same Busch park that announced this week a 2 phase expansion to Aquatica to be open by 2011.
Originally Posted By dshyates "the same Universal that in the last 10 years at Islands of Adventure the park has less rides/shows then when they opened" Yep, that one. The one with The Wizarding World of Harry Potter under construction. The one that not only sooped HP from under Disney they also got the Robocoaster Tech to go with it. Yep that one. The one with the new Simpsons ride and a state of the art rollercoaster under construction along with a new hollywood bowl amphitheater. And I already mentioned the Aquatica expansion, but Sea World also has a very nice state of the art flying coaster/ Manta Ray Aquarium just about ready to open. When was the MK last new E-Ticket?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< "When was the MK last new E-Ticket?" 18 years ago. >>> It doesn't seem to have affected park attendance. Some would call the lack of investment in a new E-ticket a shrewd business decision.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >When asked about WDW's future outlook all they would say were bookings were up for the next two quarters ... UP FROM WHAT? And frame it in the proper context, most people are staying at HUGE discounts (Buy 4/Get 3 free), which isn't going to look good for the bottom line anyway.< Thank you. I was just about to make that point.
Originally Posted By itsme Wax on about the Simpsons {and it is a cool ride} but didn't they close a similar ride to open that? Even with adding Potter on the other side that's still a park that has less today then when it opened just a short time ago. Why does it matter if they have not put in a new E ride at Mk only, Have they added things at the other parks? And why does it only have a be a E ticket ride? Would I like to see more big thrill rides and should Disney add more? yes. But what I also wanna see is a place that can keep its biz stable and not one that spends foolishly to appease a small group and run itself into the ground.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Well, I would love to show how bad the great spirit looks with another one of his goofy threads but all that gets you is called a Disney apologist or you must work for Disney response, so whats the use. << Well Spirits goofy threads sure do attract a lot of attention. He definetly makes LP a much more interesting place, and he contributes immensely to this forum. By the way Disney apologist or always welcome to make comments. It takes opposing views to make for an interesting discussion.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Even with adding Potter on the other side that's still a park that has less today then when it opened just a short time ago. " Other than triceratops encounter, what attraction has been removed, and Seuss Sky Trolly has been an addition. Yes, IOA was stagnent for its first 6 years, by no fault of its own. When NBC bought Universal Studios, they had planned of selling the parks. I am not sure what happened they let them cruise for 5 years without putting them up for sale or adding things to the parks. Then all of the sudden, 2 years ago they decided to keep them and at that point they announced Simpsons, Harry Potter, and Hollywood Rip Ride Rocket. And after Harry Potter opens they will cretainly have more attractions than when it opened. And don't get me started on replacing instead of adding That is Disney's mantra. That is all they have done at the MK for an entire generation. So for you to point at Uni for retiring Back to the Future for an actual current and more popular franchise seems odd when that IS Disney's model. But I do like how you started your biased rant with 'Oh, I like both Uni and Sea World, but they suck beyond belief". It seems a little disingenous at best.
Originally Posted By dshyates Oh, and Worlds of Discovery in Dubai isn't dead as you claim, it is on hold to be re-evaluated this summer. And it is because Dubai is financially crashing not that BEC. is in trouble. And InBev is dumping them because they don't want to be a theme park business, not because there is anything wrong with BEC. Your bias is ridiculous.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < It takes opposing views to make for an interesting discussion.< wow, if you could get that message across in W/E you'd be a hero
Originally Posted By dshyates vbdad, we love your opinions. You can't take pot shots without a target.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I don't take the abuse some take - for sure- but there are days I feel like William Tell is loading up for the apple on my head - LOL !
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I can see how if Disney had reinvested more into WDW's parks, rather than going so far down the DVC route, that it might be in a better position overall. But with the economy as bad as it is, I still think they would be hurting for revenue. People are scared; a vacation to WDW is not exactly what people have in mind right now.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^ see I agree. We missed last year for the first time in over 20 years -- New attraction or not really plays little into my equation today, it's purely can I afford it or not-- and I believe that is where most people are. now don't get me wrong, I wish they had added more over the past decade- especially to MK...- but today's decision to go or not has little to do with any one attraction.
Originally Posted By dshyates See, I can never afford it. And the new attractions make or break my decision to go or not. If they build something I really want to see, I MAKE it happen. But it is so expensive that I choose not to knock myself out to see the same ol' same ol'.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^ fair enough -- everyone makes decisions based on individual circumstances btw- I think if most people were honest they'd say they can't afford it anywhere near as often as they go. Especially in todays economy - serious coin for something - that as much as I want to claim it is also- is not a necessity.
