Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/new_york_city/index.html?story=/news/feature/2010/08/25/muslim_stabbed_new_york" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/news/new_...new_york</a> Talk radio and Fox News fan the flames of hatred, then the inevitable defense is "Oh, Glenn Beck's just an entertainer. He's funny!" I know I'm having a knee-slapping good time.
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney That's sad that happened. I really hope that these channels and shows can be taken off the air.
Originally Posted By mele I didn't think I could dislike this country anymore than I did during the early 2000's but SURPRISE, I can and do. It's getting harder and harder to not be terrified of what is happening and to not be filled with extreme hatred. But then I'd be like them...
Originally Posted By Lisann22 That's kind of where I am mele. I'm getting close to the line of feeling rage and hysteria over what we have and are becoming as a Nation. It's ugly and backwards and so simple minded. I have no patriotic juices running through my veins. I'm embarassed.
Originally Posted By utahjosh How awful. But to say this was caused by Glenn Beck and Fox News is quite a leap. I turned on Glenn this morning, as I do every few weeks for 5 or 10 minutes, and he spent the whole time saying he wants people to be non-violent. Before this story broke, by the way.
Originally Posted By utahjosh And before you make that leap, ecdc, can you show me where Glenn Beck has encouraged violence against Muslims? Until you can, your comment isn't worth further discussion.
Originally Posted By mele There's more to inciting violence than spelling it out. That's for amateurs. Implying (or outright saying) that Muslims are out to take over our country, that they're plotting to insinuate themselves into our culture until it's too late, fans people's fears. When people are afraid, especially when they're irrationally afraid, they can turn violent very quickly. Gather them into a large group and they will almost always get violent. These idiot "entertainers" are directly responsible for what happens. Frighteningly enough, these same people deny their responsibilities while claiming to be Christians. They also seem to talk a mean game about how others need to accept responsibility for their actions.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Implying (or outright saying) that Muslims are out to take over our country> Some of them are. "Death to America!" they shout themselves. Of course, that's a very small percentage of muslims. Nobody I've listened to has said all muslims think that way. <Gather them into a large group and they will almost always get violent.> This was a lone man in a cab. <These idiot "entertainers" are directly responsible for what happens> Prove it.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <People like Glenn Beck should be arrested.> Now that's a scary comment. You don't believe in free speech?
Originally Posted By mele Don't you know what "Free Speech" really means or it's parameters? (Obviously not.) You can single out this particular instance and say it was a lone man in a cab, whatever it takes to not see the bigger picture, the dangerous situation that's amping up every single day. I would expect nothing less from you. <<Prove it>> Prove the opposite. Or, forget that. I'll just take it as true due to my "faith". That seems to work for you and your beliefs and statements.
Originally Posted By Oldschool Disney <<Now that's a scary comment. You don't believe in free speech?>> Only when I agree with what's being said.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Don't you know what "Free Speech" really means or it's parameters? (Obviously not.)> Mele, so you agree that Glenn Beck should be arrested? For giving his opinions on a radio program? That's all the free speech I was referring to. What do I not understand? Teach me, oh great one.
Originally Posted By utahjosh < Prove the opposite. > I don't have to. I'm not making any accusations. Those accusing Glenn Beck of inciting violence have the need to prove it.
Originally Posted By mawnck Here we go .... This is why I left WE last time. And I think I'm with Josh on this one. Unless someone has a clip of Glenn Beck encouraging you to stab your cabbie. The real story will be how the conservative leaders individually react to this news. My hunch is that Beck will be among the first to strongly condemn it. By the way, there's LOTS more now .... <a href="http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2010/08/25/cab_stabbing_update/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/news/poli...dex.html</a>
Originally Posted By mele Except it's not just about the cabbie being stabbed, mawnck. Are you denying that there is a growing issue in NYC right now over Muslims and Ground Zero at all? Beck is still calling it a Mosque, btw. Another lie of his. Why lie about something like this? To anger people, to incite their racism and fear, that is why. There's no other reason. That is the point I am trying to make. I also said ALL of the idiot entertainers who are doing this are culpable. Forgive me for continually trying to talk about the bigger picture instead of hyper-focusing on the cabbie story. I know how none of the other LP threads ever discuss anything other than the EXACT topic at hand. Josh, apparently you're choosing to give the impression that you don't know that you can't say *anything* you want, that's not what "Free Speech". (I think you're being deliberately obtuse but to what gain?) There are limits to what one can say in a public forum, especially if it's meant to cause panic. I believe is happening more and more these days. Of course I don't think Glenn Beck should be arrested. I detest him. But, I do feel he can say (almost) whatever he wants...however, he needs to accept responsibility for what he says and that he will never do.
Originally Posted By utahjosh < Josh, apparently you're choosing to give the impression that you don't know that you can't say *anything* you want, that's not what "Free Speech". (I think you're being deliberately obtuse but to what gain?) > Mele, in what way did I do that?
