Originally Posted By Rebekah This topic is for discussion of the 3/10/2003 news item <b><a href="http://ofcs.rottentomatoes.com/pages/pr/top100animated" target="_blank">OFCS: Toy Story Voted #1 on Top 100 Animated Features of All Time By the OFCS</a></b> On March 4th the <I>Online Film Critics Society</I> announced its body of 138 reviewers listed the top 100 animated features of all time and Disney - Pixar's <I>Toy Story</I> topped the list.
Originally Posted By electra what did you guys think? There were couple films that i really dont think should be there. And not necessarily cuz they are horrible. I mean, I thought Beavis & Butthead do America was a trip, but i wouldnt ever think of putting it on a BEST animated films list(maybe on a FUNNIEST animated films list). Not surprisingly, 3 of my favorites, Oliver & Co, Hercules & Balto, got left out. =( Oh well... A few in there that Ive never seen before too...
Originally Posted By jdub What is up with that list? Did they write down the first 100 they could think of, in order? In any case, I find it hard to list such vastly different films, and compare them to one another. The only just thing about this list was that Bakshi's "Lord of the Rings" wasn't on it.
Originally Posted By AladdinAZ Hmmm, Here are some films on the list I think are considerably OVER-rated: South Park (9) Chicken Run (13) Shrek (15) Bug's Life (21) Ice Age (29) Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie (34) Antz (41) Hunchback of Notre Dame (45) Robin Hood (55) Mad Monster Party (72) Fox and the Hound (73) Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron (74) Those underated: Lion King (12) Little Mermaid (22) Tarzan (56) Emperor's New Groove (57) Fantasia 2000 (60) Hercules (93) Treasure Planet (95)
Originally Posted By TheRedhead Hunchback of Notre Dame? Over-rated? First time I heard that. And I'd argue that South Park is the smartest animated film ever released. And easily one of the funniest. These lists are usually random anyway, with a leaning towards making sure that there is a sampling of everything (hence, I believe, Beavis and Butthead's presence). shrug
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 I agree the South Park movie was brillant, in fact that should have been it for the show after the movie was released. Oh and the Bugs Bunny/Road Runner movie while essentially just an excuse to show old Warner Brothers cartoons, still deserves a place on the list. We are talking about the greatest animated shorts ever made. The Disney shorts were great in their own right, especially the Goofy and Donald cartoons. But nothing, I mean nothing compares to What's Opera Doc, Bully for Bugs, Duck Dodgers in the 24th and Half Century and One Froggy Evening, those are just the Chuck Jones masterpieces. Not to mention the brilliant work of Friz Freeling, Robert McKimson, Bob Clampett and the early Tex Avery cartoons.
Originally Posted By Sir_Clinksalot Should NOT be on the list: -Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within (2001) While I love the Final Fantasy games, I was NOT a big fan of the movie ... - Titan A.E. (2000) What a huge stinker of a movie What about Robotech??? None of those 2 movies would have been made had it not been for Robotech. Underrated, Fire and Ice should be higher than 99 ... Also Lord of the Rings was #90.
Originally Posted By BrnardM Actually I liked Titan A.E. and I think it's great that FOX AND THE HOUND is on there, because I love it. When it comes to being underated I think Electra has the right idea about Balto, it's a great movie.
Originally Posted By electra ^^^ yep, Balto is probably the best thing to come out of Universal/Amblin. Not perfect, but I love the rendering of the Alaskan wilderness & the town(Nome). Good action scenes too.
Originally Posted By Dlmusic My list of overrated: Spirited Away Yellow Submarine Charlotte's Web Ice Age Little Mermaid Shrek Underrated: Treasure Planet Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron Prince of Egypt Fantasia 2000 And why is Who Framed Roger Rabbit on the list? It's not really an animated film. In fact I don't think stop-motion is really similar enough. But at least draw the line with live action mixes.
Originally Posted By basil fan I wouldn't count Song of the South as an animated film, either. Sherlock Holmes <a href="http://www15.brinkster.com/wtstsgalor/etc/less.html" target="_blank">http://www15.brinkster.com/wts tsgalor/etc/less.html</a>
Originally Posted By jdub Stop motion is definitely animation. Roger Rabbit and Song of the South feature feats of combinging forms (I'm not saying they DEFINITELY belong on an "animated" list-- well, yes I am). And, when you say these films are overrated: Spirited Away Yellow Submarine Charlotte's Web Ice Age Little Mermaid Shrek ...and these films are underrated... Treasure Planet Spirit: Stallion of the Cimmaron Prince of Egypt Fantasia 2000 Are you saying all of the films on the 2nd list are better than all of the films on the 1st list? In my opinion, about half of each are, and about half decidedly not. xo
Originally Posted By basil fan I think the "overrated" business just means that they belong substantially lower on the list. That's what I would've meant if I'd said that. Donald Duck's Family Tree <a href="http://www15.brinkster.com/wtstsgalor/donald.html" target="_blank">http://www15.brinkster.com/wts tsgalor/donald.html</a>
Originally Posted By Dlmusic I think all the ones on my second list are better. That wasn't my intention, but it worked out that way.
Originally Posted By ChillyDown I'm actually very impressed by this list. To explain my perspective: when TV Guide did their 100 Greatest Episodes Ever, it was clear that it was written by a bunch of hack journalists who never actually watch TV, and who were more concerned with their cross-promotion with TV Land. Hence, first episodes (rarely the best of any series), Christmas episodes and celebrity casting episodes (read: cheap promotional stunts) got high marks on the list, as did a LOT of episodes of "Gilligan's Island" and "F Troop" and other stuff that belonged nowhere on the list. By comparison, I get the impresssion that these voters actually WATCH the movies. Even though I don't agree with their list 100% (what list could ever do that for all its readers, anyway?) I see the reasons behind each and every one of their choices. Toy Story is a fabulous film; I'm happy with that choice. And they give equal time to both classics and to the new trailblazers, to the famous Disney stuff and to anime. I did think Treasure Planet was an odd one to have on the list...and what's up with Transformers: the Movie? I loved Transformers as a kid, and even I never liked this movie. Bugs Bunny/Road Runner is another odd choice. I guess they felt that Warner Bros. needed some representation here, and they weren't going to give the spot to a film that was a spin-off of a gym shoe commercial. But I've always hated the way the classic shorts were hacked up and presented in feature form. So if it comes to that, Space Jam had a better plot than BB/RR's loose structure, and (IMHO) better-looking animation than the linking segments. Some may argue that Roger Rabbit was about 50% live-action. But I ask you, would it have been more fitting to shut Roger out of the list of the most shining examples of feature animation? It's a shame that the list can't include great animated sequences in otherwise live-action films. The scenes from Mary Poppins and Anchors Aweigh ought to be in here somewhere. That's all for now, I guess.
Originally Posted By TheMadHatter What makes me ill, is the fact that Fritz the Cat was above Song of the South, or even Black Cauldron. Fritz, in my opinion is awful. It makes the animated segments in Cool World look like Snow White. As for Toy Story being No.1... Well first off, I do like TS, but to put it above Fantasia or Snow White ? that's a bit much. Again, that's my opinion... and we know what opinions are like! ;-)
Originally Posted By narkspud >>and we know what opinions are like!<< Yes, and the internet's full of them. I don't think it's fair to judge animated features only on animation quality. That's why I'll argue that "Fritz the Cat" DOES belong on the list, although I'm not even going to look again to see where they put it, because that'll just get me riled up again. The best animation in the world will not rescue a lousy script, while a relatively poorly animated movie can excel in other ways and be an artistic success. Yellow Submarine works due to striking visual design work and great music. The Simpsons and Rocky and Bullwinkle (yeah, I know, TV) are universally praised for their wonderful satirical scripts and voice work. The animation in these is cheap, but they are excellent animated productions nevertheless. Then there's stuff like "Rock a Doodle," which was a big mess despite having fantastic animation. "Fritz" was a vicious and very dead-on satire of 60s/70s counterculture. It's funny, racy and intelligent. The animation quality was nothing to write home about, but it fit the art style and wasn't bad enough to seriously detract from the overall experience (cough, "Charlottes Web," cough cough). Yet another opinion.
