Originally Posted By GhostHost2 I am looking foward to Toy Story Mania, but for the most part, Paradise Pier is a disgrace to everything that makes Disney great. It look some executives were talking about DCA and had a discussion like this: Executive 1-I have a great way of saving costs and still theming a huge section of DCA. Executive 2- What idea? Executive 1- We will build an area themed to what Disney parks were suppose to never become. We will theme it to a typical amusemnt park. Executive 2- Sounds cheap, so I like it.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Paradise Pier at Disney's California Adventure, is 'a disgrace' huh? What are you thoughts on the Boardwalk at Walt Disney World? <a href="http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/moreMagic/moreMagicLanding?id=BoardwalkLandingPage&bhcp=1" target="_blank">http://disneyworld.disney.go.c om/wdw/moreMagic/moreMagicLanding?id=BoardwalkLandingPage&bhcp=1</a> Also a disgrace?
Originally Posted By cstephens Those who don't see the very distinctive Disney touches and attention to detail that are in Paradise Pier are seeing it with their eyes firmly closed or with blinders on. /cs
Originally Posted By GhostHost2 The Boardwalk at WDW is a resort, not part of an actual park so that doesn't concern me much. There are "Disney" touches to Paradise Pier, but who wants to go to a regualar amusement park when they can: Go inside the Temple of the Forbidden Eye. Take a Haunted Elevator Ride in an old Hollywood hotel. Be in the middle of Pirates raiding a town. Go into a house with 999 haunts and room for one more. Ride an out of control mind train in an environment taht actually looks like the wild west. Ride a bobsled down the Matterhorn mountain while seeing an abondamniable(sp) snowman on the way down. Take a wild ride through the English counrtyside that ends in Hell. Visit Wonderland on a catepillar. Rocket into space from Space Mountain. Witness the events of Brer Rabbit stories and get thown down into the Briar Patch yourself. Fly over London and Neverland. Yeah Paradise Pier is pretty lame when you compare it to those examples.
Originally Posted By SuzieQ ^ LOL I thought the same thing. Been a while since we've had a new DCA basher onboard. cstephens, I agree with you 100%
Originally Posted By GhostHost2 I'm not bashing DCA, I am only bashing part of it. Seriously who here would want to go to a sub par impressionation of a regular amusment park when they can do everything I listed above? If you are going to build an area based of a regular amusement park at least make it an amusement park like Cedar Point.
Originally Posted By kari12177 I only like Soarin, The Rapids ride, and the Coaster. Me and my family can go through DCA in a couple of hours and then we jam towards DL.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney JIM, While I normally agree with basically everything you say, I have to disagree here. A. It's a resort that is themed to it's hotel and B. take it from someone who has walked that area, I would take THAT any day over the monstrosity in DCA. That place looks very elegant and a little regal. PP just looks, uh, tacky ;D. But, with that said, it's been mentioned a thousand times now, yeah, it fit the theme okay actually, but it isn't bringing out the best in Disney when every single attraction there can be found in Magic Mountain ;D. But, they KNOW they screwed up and screwed up BIG time or we wouldn't be hearing all these 'placemaking' ideas, now would we . You don't make plans to do something over that you did right the first time, so just relax and SUPPOSEDLY there will be some changes, even if cosmetic. Most of the attractions are here to stay unfortunately, but hopefully it will at least look prettier....and there will be Toy Story Mania to look forward too .
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Ride Dumbo... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park. Ride Teacups... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park. Ride Mr. Toad's Wild Ride... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park. Ride Casey's Circus Train... a barely disguised carny ride that you could fine at any 50's amusement park. Ride Cinderella's Golden Carousel... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park.
Originally Posted By Roger55 Welcome to LP GhostHost2. If your intentions were to sign up and immediately try to stir the pot, congratulations! Sigh... Anyone wanna start a pool how long GhostHost2 will be around?
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Ride Dumbo... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park. Ride Teacups... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park. Ride Mr. Toad's Wild Ride... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park. Ride Casey's Circus Train... a barely disguised carny ride that you could fine at any 50's amusement park. Ride Cinderella's Golden Carousel... a barely disguised carny ride that you could find at any 50's amusement park.>> Wow, we are still having the same arguments, man I love it here . Roadtrip, you say us 'bashers' keep bringing up the same arguments why this park has problems (considering it's a 'PP is bad' topic, I have to agree ;D), but its no different than making the same excuses to defend the park over and over. C'mon man, that list is not in the same league, not even close and you KNOW it! If DCA had something LIKE Mr. Toad's or Casey Jr today in the beginning, maybe people would buy more tickets, but the difference those attractions are HIGHLY themed and fit wonderfully with the atmosphere of what DL is trying to create and they are a HUGE difference between the 'carny' stuff that has been portrayed in so many other parks and now sadly DCA. It's not that it's a spinner, or a roller coaster or even a merry go round, it's how well they help tell a story and capture a different mood, place and time. Again, C'mon! Are people so desperate to defend this area, they have to try and knock every Disney attraction as well? I GET that PP is also trying to capture a mood, but it's story and time fails miserably. The fact that no one can tell you the thing is in the past or present tells you they just didn't bother to give it a real sense of dimension and why should they? It's a basic roller coaster, carny games, ferris wheel and a few spinners. Once again, you can find ALL that in KBF, that actually does a better job of theming this stuff IMO. Tell me the day you find Mr. Toad's in KBF and I will buy my AP tomorrow.
Originally Posted By GhostHost2 Thanks WorldDisney for a great well defended post which I completely agree with. I am a huge Disney fan and when they do something wrong I have the right to complain and support my complaint. If people like me don't complain when they do something wrong, then in 10 years Paradise Pier might look like New Orleans Square and Home on the Range might look like Beauty and the Beast compared to their latest offerings at that time.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip There are many dark rides around that are FAR more creative than any of Disney's Fantasyland Darkrides... Fire in the Hole at Silver Dollar City being one of them. You may say now that the Fantasyland Darkrides are classics and can’t be compared to anything else. Sure, 50 years after opening the ARE classics. But when they opened they were cheap clones of existing off-the-shelf rides... the same thing you are criticizing DCA for. I was riding the "Spinning Washtubs" at my local kiddie park about the same time that Disneyland opened with the Teacups. A vomit bucket is a vomit bucket... outside of the shape of the car the ride is the same.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^LOL, no worries GhostHost2. I'm an remnant around these parts, they are use to my bitter-DCA-makes-me-want-to-sell-my-kids rantings for YEARS now. It's nice I still got a little bitterness in me like Bill O'Reilly, just sexier and less hated. I'm one of the remaining few who survived the 'DCA Wars' circa 2001-2002 (Before your time). Yeah, those were the days. It was sort of like the Clone Wars in Star Wars...only no clones. It was tense, tough and brutal back then. Everyday, last man standing here had to make the other side give up their AP's...or one of their closet pets if they didn't have an AP. It was brutal! But, maybe people like me can pass on the torch to the younger generation like yourself and take up the fight while I retire and finish my Star Trek model collection in my mother's basement. We'll see. (Yeah, its VERY late on my side of the world kids. Good night ;D)
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Oh and Roadtrip.....you're an idiot!!! *WorldDisney cuts out the lights, get up from the chair and walks towards the darkened doorway of the unknown as his cell phone rings uncontrollably with the usual impeding death threats on the other end*
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Oh and Roadtrip.....you're an idiot!!!>> I'm pleased to state that I've been called an idiot by far brighter people than you!!
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Seriously who here would want to go to a sub par impressionation of a regular amusment park when they can do everything I listed above?" I think you could pose that question about any of Disney's faux experiences. Would you rather do Mission: Space or take a real trip in an actual space shuttle? How about a trip around the Rivers of America on the Mark Twain or a real trip down the Mississippi on a steam powered paddle boat? Disney's parks aren't supposed to be substitutes for the things they represent. These are entertainment places that use storytelling elements and theming to enhance the overall experience.
Originally Posted By GhostHost2 "I think you could pose that question about any of Disney's faux experiences. Would you rather do Mission: Space or take a real trip in an actual space shuttle? How about a trip around the Rivers of America on the Mark Twain or a real trip down the Mississippi on a steam powered paddle boat? Disney's parks aren't supposed to be substitutes for the things they represent. These are entertainment places that use storytelling elements and theming to enhance the overall experience." Going into space for real is something almost impossible for people to do. Knott's Berry Farm is a 15 minute drive from DLR and is 1000 times better than Paradise Pier.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Paradise Pier was a good idea but poorly executed. It provided no sense of time or place and felt like it belonged in a lesser park. However, the current project will go a long way towards changing that. The Victorian transformation of the Pier will finally offer that sense of time and place that had been sorely lacking. The place will feel much more immersive and therefore feel like it belongs in a Disney park. Paradise Pier has always looked fantastic at night. Soon it will be beautiful during the day as well.
