Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/21/opinion/gergen-reckless-congress/index.html?hpt=hp_c1" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/21/...pt=hp_c1</a> This is beyond disgusting. I'm more or less with Gergen here. And while he doesn't mention Grover Norquist by name, he does mention how devotion to ideology is what's hurting us the most. Grover Norquist is a bigger problem for this country than any person or thing I can think of right now.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The committee fails but the Democrats and the people of the United States win. The automatic cuts will take a bigger chunk out of defense and protect Social Security, Medicare and other social programs to an extent that would have been impossible for the committee to negotiate. Now as long as the Democrats an avoid CAVING IN (once again!) on Republican attempts to re-fund the Pentagon and extend the Bush tax cuts, Obama will get more than he ever could have hoped for from the Committee. Meanwhile, the Tea Partiers are left grabbing their ankles and having to answer "Whose your Daddy now?"
Originally Posted By mawnck (1) I think I'm going to have a have a heart attack and die from not surprised. (And I think henceforth I'm just going to write this as ITIGtHaHA&DfNS.) (2) Won't stick. There will be an emergency session of Congress to undo all the "automatic" cuts. All of them. Both sides will (correctly) be accused by their constituencies as caving, and then they'll bicker incessantly about whose fault it is until the election, when said constituencies will vote for their guys anyway, changing nothing. Because there are no alternatives, there never will be, and we all know it, and so do they. We are SO screwed.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfKmNRfLYU" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...KmNRfLYU</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <(2) Won't stick. There will be an emergency session of Congress to undo all the "automatic" cuts. All of them.> Lordy, I almost see that as a best case scenario. Equally likely, it seems to me based on recent performance, is Republicans insisting on undoing the defense cuts - because we NEED them, don't you know - but insisting that the domestic cuts remain in place anyway. And Democrats making a lot of noise and then caving.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 mawnck, I'd like to tell you you're a pessimist and that what you predict isn't true-- I'd like to tell you that but I can't as really, I see your scenario as basically exactly what will happen. I saw it already in my state for 2011 in the 11th hour- more taxes- much higher tax rates- and zero spending cuts or changes.... life goes on here- further in debt and people with even less in their pockets
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Is anyone at all surprised. I could have practically written the script for this back when they first announced there was going to be a super committee. Anyone who pays any attention to what is happening in Congress would have predicted this from the get go.
Originally Posted By mawnck Once more, but in the correct topic .... Obama just announced that he'll veto (almost) any attempt to undo the automatic cuts. Goppers are either wetting their pants or pretending it isn't happening. Go to your favorite Conservative website and check it out. It's a hoot!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 This is actually a good thing for him. He (once again) will look like the only adult in the room, forcing people to do what they already agreed to do. And (totally contrary to the GOP's narrative), he'll be the only one insisting on cutting anything.
Originally Posted By mawnck Goppers have apparently decided what the spin on this is ... The failure of the super committee = OBAMA IS CUTTING SUPPORT FOR OUR TROOPS!! Half of my country thinks this is reasonable. We are SO screwed.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Don't think objective logic, fkurucz, think today's GOP. It's not a surprising spin for them. The triggers are not for tax hikes, but for spending cuts, including defense, so that's what they'll complain about. Despite the fact that this was agreed upon ultimately within Congress (not Obama), and that Congress was majority-GOP in the House and "minority-majority" (i.e. filibuster-threatening) in the Senate. So this is what the GOP-dominated Congress ITSELF agreed to. But somehow they spin it to "Obama's not supporting the troops." And those who don't pay attention (or only pay attention to what their radios tell them) will buy it.
