Originally Posted By jonvn "And rest assured, lawyers have already been retained." It doesn't mean they will get anywhere, and they probably won't.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Nobody has posted or mentioned in this thread this part of the original article that Darkbeer linked: <<DISNEY POLICY According to the Walt Disney World Web site, Disney's group package policy includes a provision that if "one or more person(s)" in a party takes part in a violent act, everyone will be forced to leave. "This was unfortunate, but with thousands of guests staying at the resort, we have to maintain a safe environment for everyone," Jacob DiPietre, a spokes-man for Walt Disney World, said Monday. "All participants were made aware of our strict zero-tolerance policy regarding any physical disturbances. Any teams involved in fighting are subject to disqualification and eviction. We were in direct consultation with both Pop Warner officials and law enforcement throughout the course of the event." Florida Pop Warner officials did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment yesterday.>> So the footballers HAD been told ahead of time that the behavior of even one participant would have repurcussions for the entire group. And this has gone unmentioned here: <<ROOMS FOUND BY 4:45 ...Kong was able to find the families rooms at a Holiday Inn by 4:15 a.m. Saturday after organizing a convoy of taxis to transport baggage and people.>> It's not like the miscreants and their posses were made homeless. Disney made sure they found alternate arrangements. [Why the hell would these other hotels accept them?!] Two hours after they were booted, they were re-housed.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It's not like the miscreants and their posses were made homeless. Disney made sure they found alternate arrangements. [Why the hell would these other hotels accept them?!] Two hours after they were booted, they were re-housed.>> I love how someone who says others are judgmental is so quick to label folks, the vast majority who are families that had nothing to do with one fight amongst a few kids. Way to go I-57!
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains Okay I am in CA and have never been to WDW so I don't know how these hotels are or how they are ran but.... One of the mom's at DD school actually had a nephew playing in this championship. Now this is her view of the event 1. Absolutely no Supervision 2. Parents off doing there own thing 3. Soda Fights in food areas 4. Noisy all night 5. Hotel was like motel 6 6. Boys were warned when cerfew was 7. Rules at least for her nephews team was drilled in their heads... 8. Thank Goodness they were finally gone.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<"They could have said, look, you know what? Fine, you guys have to leave in the morning," Kubo said. "Then our babies — we have 1-year-old, 2-year-old, 3-year-olds — that we had to just jerk out of bed and they were just crying. You know it was just a bad scene. It was really a bad scene.">> LMAO! Literally, this made me laugh out loud. It reminds me of the guy I caught trying to steal $1,000 with a fake credit card the other day. He protested with, "You're not treating me with respect!" LMAO! Waaaaaaaaahhhhh! OMG. So your 1-year-old cried. HelllLLLL-LLLOOOO! You want sympathy for THAT?! That's what 1-year-olds DO! But, okay, okay, maybe I'm being insensitive. Maybe your 1- and 2- and 3-year old babies wouldn't have been crying if your 11-year old wouldn't have been acting like a thug. Sorry. My bad.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<I love how someone who says others are judgmental is so quick to label folks, the vast majority who are families that had nothing to do with one fight amongst a few kids. Way to go I-57!>> Uhhhhh... Your post might make some sense if you showed where I've said that other posters are judgemental or where I've labeled people.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 You are being insensitive, I-57. You are also assuming an awful lot about a large group of people. Do you think there was a full-scale riot going on? I kinda think if there had been a real serious incident (and no, one kid breaking another's nose happens frequently) that someone may have been arrested. But that's just me.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Your post might make some sense if you showed where I've said that other posters are judgemental or where I've labeled people.>> Oh c'mon. You love labeling me -- and anyone who isn't all full of pixie dust -- as bullies. But if you think Disney acted appropriately by rousing families and young kids from their beds at 3 a.m. and ordering them out, that tells me a lot about your compassionate nature. And while I'd love to play some more, I need to leave the LP for the night so, by all means, have the last word`... for now ...
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Oh c'mon. You love labeling me -- and anyone who isn't all full of pixie dust -- as bullies.>> Please let the record show that I haven't "labeled" ANYone or named Spirit in this thread. This thread is not about you, Spirit. Please let the rest of us comment on the substance of the thread without you making it about you.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<But if you think Disney acted appropriately by rousing families and young kids from their beds at 3 a.m. and ordering them out, that tells me a lot about your compassionate nature.>> I think that Disney always has to balance the rights of one group of guests versus the rights of the other guests and of the property. In this case, Disney apparently had cause to believe that one group was violating the security and enjoyment of other guests. And it took what it thought to be appropriate action. I'm sure it was a difficult decision on the part of the Disney manager. Disney must have been weighing that whole civility thing that you argue for, Spirit, against liability and marketability. And they chose civility. There's that pesky form that the teams signed: "Misbehavior on the part of ONE member can get the whole team kicked off-property." MY compassionate nature says Disney told them well in advance: "If you refuse to do what it takes to keep your adolescents in line at this public resort, you will suffer the consequences." The teams signed contacts saying that they were JOINTLY responsible for the behavior of EACH team member. I have zero sympathy for their ex-post-facto complaints that group members (including 2-year-olds) were rousted because of the unsupervised and unacceptable behavior of the footballers. (Spirit, do you REALLY think that breaking someone else's nose is NOT a big deal?!)
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I'm sure it was a difficult decision on the part of the Disney manager.>> It could be that the decision was reached after already having had to deal with numerous complaints from other guests long before the fight happened; the fight may have been the last straw. We just don't know.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda I must remind people that (in most states) businesses have the "right to refuse service to anyone at anytime" I would say that Disney was exercising their right in this matter. Also, since this is private property, they wouldn't necessarily be arrested but given a trespassing notice that would ban them from the location for either a defined period of time, or indeffinately.
Originally Posted By CMDad <<One thing that should have been done is have more security there to begin with since trouble is prone to break out with large groups.>> There are extra security measures in place and additional people and procedures that are implemented when groups such as that are on property. Much of it (intentionally) unnoticed.
Originally Posted By CMDad ^^ (Disclaimer) Or at least there used to be a few years ago. I don't know if that is the case today now that I think of it since the person who was responsible for what I know about is no longer with the company.
Originally Posted By jonvn OK, after reading that little bit of policy that disney had, and the further information, not only was disney right in what they did, they had a responsibility to do what they did. And I'm glad they did it, and again hope they do more. You don't run around and act like an animal, or pretend it is your house. You behave, or are thrown out. You don't have a right to stay there, you don't have a right to act out. So who cares about these kids or their families. They couldn't figure out how to behave? So they are gone. This is how society operates.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Ages ago you never saw anyone who "looked" like security in the parks. But let there be a lost child and they would be all around. My husband likes to sit on a bench, relax, smoke his pipe. One day he saw a somewhat scruffy (therefore suspicious to him) person wandering in the area, then he noticed "others" watching that person too, eventually the "others" escorted the scruffy one away. I suppose in today's times, we need to see the security people to deter some people. One year my daughter's bag was stolen at the park. Well, she was 7 so it was only full of mustard and ketchup.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<This thread is not about you, Spirit. Please let the rest of us comment on the substance of the thread without you making it about you.>> Come now Inspector. Didn't you get the memo? In 'WDW General' ALL threads are about the Spirit. ;-)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<And I'm glad they did it, and again hope they do more. You don't run around and act like an animal, or pretend it is your house. You behave, or are thrown out. You don't have a right to stay there, you don't have a right to act out. So who cares about these kids or their families. They couldn't figure out how to behave? So they are gone. This is how society operates.>> Have you looked around and seen just how our society has operated of late? All under the 'family values' party ruling the roost? I hate to defend these people because I believe Disney had every right to ask them to leave. But I believe there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything. Disney did the tacky/WalMart/out-of-control/kneejerk response. It could have used some class, some tact and some caring and compassion and asked the people not involved to vacate when they awoke. I'm also (sadly) not surprised at some of these reactions because we have become such a hatefilled, vengeful society ... To see folks like you Jon, just call a whole group of people animals is, frankly, vile. If Al Lutz labels theme park management apologists as Defenders of Medicority that's worth thousands of posts ripping him. When I call people who are 500 pounds, fat and lazy, you jump on me and say it's all out of their control. But here, you clearly have a situation where the majority of these folks were sleeping, not bothering anyone when some members of their group acted out and suddenly they're all animals who got what was coming to them. Really, I wonder where basic human decency has gone. ... It's so sad that I'm here defending people who I basically agree were in the wrong, certainly by the contract they signed. But to say it's OK for familes with infants to be tossed out into the night by Disney while being threatened with forceable removal? No, that's not OK. And, BTW, Disney has already started taking some actions behind the scenes, which tells me they believe it could have been handled better.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Have you looked around and seen just how our society has operated of late?" Yes, it's terrible, and I am glad someone is taking a stand. If more places did this, we'd all be better off. The thing is this, if you are running around causing fights at the place, you ARE acting like an animal. If you let your kids do this, and do not supervise them, you are ALLOWING this behavior. I am a pretty tolerant person. But when somebody does stuff like this, I have no tolerance at all. This is different than labeling a group of people with just a different opinion. These are people actively behaving in a violent manner. These are not people with a medical problem, these are people going out and breaking noses. They get zero sympathy from me.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<But to say it's OK for familes with infants to be tossed out into the night by Disney while being threatened with forceable removal?>> Undoubtedly the same families where there parents were sitting at the pool bar getting smashed while the neglected infant sat nearby in a stroller. Don't tell me it doesn't happen, because it does. If seen it EVERY time I've been at a pool bar at the All Stars.
