Originally Posted By barboy "sitting at the pool bar getting smashed while the neglected infant sat nearby in a stroller." And that is a problem? What do you expect from people? After all you can't let the young ones go in the pool if you are drunk or wander around the pool decking because they might fall in. There is plenty of time for adults to drink and there is plenty of time for kids to have their fun too--- just got to balance vacation time.
Originally Posted By MPierce I really have avoided posting on this topic because it really has the potential to explode into one of those name calling threads. I don't know if all my information is correct or not. A wise man (Spirt) once told me I couldn't believe everything I read on the internet. From reading several different news articles, and supposedly the comments by one of the parents, with her side of the story. I don't think this was some night clerk that made the decision to toss the 3 teams. Since PW, and the Orange County Sheriffs were involved, I would just about bet somebody higher up at Disney would have to make the call on this one. I think WDW was caught between a rock, and a hard spot. This was more than a couiple of kids throwing punches, there were a whole bunch of kids, and at least one adult going to town. They had to take into consideration guest safetry, plus further retaliation by any of the players had they been allowed to stay. There was a whole bunch of kids, and at least one adult from Baltimore involved in this. From what I have read they had already been involved in an incident earlier in the week. They ended up winning the championship for the time being. They were from a disadvantage neighborhood. You talk about a tough call to have to make. I'm waiting to see what else comes up on this, but I reaslly don't see how WDW had any other choice. Guest safety is much more of an issue, and there is no way Disney could allow anyone from the 3 teams to remain on property. We all know how Disney lets bad behavior slide with these groups all of the time. That in it's self saids a whole lot when Disney reacts this harshly. From what I have read I have no other recourse than to supports Disney's action.
Originally Posted By nbodyhome I just read the updated info - I had no idea there were so many kids involved, plus it started earlier than I expected. I am not sure why they didn't eject everyone when it happened. The event started before the food court closed, around 11:45 (as per the last article I read). That would have been pretty scary to be a guest at that time, I'm sure. Denise
Originally Posted By magnet It's almost impossible to know the true details of the fight unless you were there to witness it yourself, and even then you could be completely wrong. This is where law enforcement and judicial decisions are difficult. News reports about such incidents can only hope to get the most basic facts about the matter correct. Almost everything else is completely unreliable. I've seen this over and over again for situations I knew about firsthand. It seems that it is a fact that Disney asked all the members of the group to leave at an ungodly hour of the morning, whether they were directly involved in the incident or not. If this indeed happened, it is a screw-up on Disney's part. If Disney policy allowed for the ejection of the entire group, then Disney was within its rights to remove them. However, to pull sleeping guests out of their beds in the middle of the night is just wrong. I don't understand why this point has not been supported more. There's just no excuse for that type of response.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I don't understand why this point has not been supported more. There's just no excuse for that type of response.>> Because I doubt many of the little dears were in bed asleep.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<"sitting at the pool bar getting smashed while the neglected infant sat nearby in a stroller." And that is a problem? What do you expect from people? After all you can't let the young ones go in the pool if you are drunk or wander around the pool decking because they might fall in.>> I do hope you're kidding. If you are not, I doubt there is any way I could explain it to you. Just do me a favor... don't have any kids for a few years, OK?
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains What is it that they have said - It takes a village to raise a child - if the children the village is raising don't follow the known rules - who pays the price just the child or the whole village?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It seems that it is a fact that Disney asked all the members of the group to leave at an ungodly hour of the morning, whether they were directly involved in the incident or not. If this indeed happened, it is a screw-up on Disney's part. If Disney policy allowed for the ejection of the entire group, then Disney was within its rights to remove them. However, to pull sleeping guests out of their beds in the middle of the night is just wrong. I don't understand why this point has not been supported more. There's just no excuse for that type of response.>> This really is the whole crux of my point, and I'm kind of baffled as to why any reasonable person would have an issue with this. There was no riot about to develop. And the decision to remove the folks was made by the on-duty manager of the resort, after talking with (or at) the team officials and authorities. To me for a decision of this magnitude and something that is going to get out in the press, cause a black eye for the resort and legal action and be talked about ad nauseum in forums such as this, you need a high-ranking official making the call ... yeah, someone like Erin, who gets paid for running the ops end of the entire resort. At the very least the GM of the resort. That isn't who made the call according to people close to the situation. Telling these people via notes on the door, to leave by 11 a.m. wouldn't have caused any more trouble, but it would have avoided any of this 'what if' crap ... it just seems that yet again Disney's managers don't know how to react in key situations, they either overreact, underreact or don't react at all.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'm not sure if Disney got a black eye form this or if they are getting a lot of 'atta boys! At least in this forum, the latter seem to dominate. People are tired of putting up with the continuously degrading public behavior of today. Frankly, it wouldn't bother me if they had put 'em all in cuffs and perp-walked them right through the food court.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^Are you dense, Trippy? Has your brain frozen over or do you really think a family sleeping that had no child involved in the incident should be treated this way? Because if you, it really convinces me that the wackos are the reason why we have had eight years of stupidity at the top. Let's just line everyone up and shoot 'em ... we can ask questions later. I am one of the first people here to bitch about boorish behavior. I think Disney was RIGHT in this situation. But boy these 'tudes really suck.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ I figured that would get to ya. But the mental image of three-year-olds in their bunny jammers shuffling through the food court in cuffs at 2:00 AM was just too much fun to ignore. ;-)
Originally Posted By fkurucz I have read through most of this thread. As some of you know, my son plays competitive soccer. We occasionally travel to out of town tournaments. I know that I would be pretty upset if my family was forced to leave because some other child on the team misbehaved. I have no problem with the offending family being ejected. I understand that their are rules like to create peer pressure to behave within the team (otherwise we all get kicked out). I have noticed that in many tournaments teams are "required" to book their rooms as a team, probably for this very reason. This got me thinking. I realize that Disney books entire teams at the same resort because many players come alone and mus be chaperoned, but many (if not most I suspect) probably come with their families. I think that if they were to spread the teams over the various resorts then perhaps the "critical mass" for mischief might be achieved far less frequently.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<To require the teams to stay on property and then require them to sign a contract that forces families to be evicted on 20 minutes notice, even at 3AM, for events they had no control over is an unreasonable expectation to say the least. >> This thread has been an education, to say the least. If anyone on our soccer team ever suggests a WDW tournament, I will bring up these caveats.
Originally Posted By fkurucz This whole story illustrates what happens when Disney tries to expand its customer base beyond its traditional boundaries. I'm not entirely surprised that they are having these problems. If you fill up a resort with teenage boys who are there to bash in each others heads during the day, there is a good chance that will continue later in the day.
Originally Posted By barboy "Just do me a favor... don't have any kids for a few years, OK?" What was that? And it's too late because I might have a child or two already.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<<And it's too late because I might have a child or two already.>>> Now there's an attitude I find repulsive and irresponsible!
Originally Posted By barboy Hey, if some woman comes out of the woodwork and I had no idea about a bith is it my fault? This can happen to those who strike up romances around the world. No?
Originally Posted By barboy I've been to China and the woman are sexy and beautiful and bring something very special to a relationship that westerners could only dream about.
