Originally Posted By MPierce >> There was no riot about to develop. And the decision to remove the folks was made by the on-duty manager of the resort, after talking with (or at) the team officials and authorities. << Come on Spirit that's speculation on your part. No one will know for sure what would have happened had they been allowed to stay. It is very evident to me by so many post about the behavior of some PW teams, that people are fead up with these unruly kids. Yes it is a harsh message to the people that weren't involved in it, but it does send a clear message. If you are with a group of unruly people, it does not matter, you pay the consequences also. I believe this was explained to all the adults in their orientation. Maybe the adult chaperones will pay closer attention to their kids now, and make sure they know the rules prior to arrival at WDW. I do know how you feel Spirit, but sometimes drastic measures have to be taken when situations like this have been going on way to long. The concern for the safety, and the rights of the other guest guides my decision on this matter.
Originally Posted By joe80x86 Spirit while I agree with what you post many times I must say, when dealing with a large group like this I think Disney made the right decision. Additionally after having made the mistake of being at WDW during soccer time I must say I would not put it past some of those people to not knock holes in walls or damage other property if given enough time and giving the rest of the team till 11am the next day is plenty of time to allow for plenty of damage. And also think of what would/could happen to the other guests walking down the hallways or milling in the main common/check-in area at 11am as a rowdy and angry team leaves the resort! No Disney made the right decision send them on their was as a whole ASAP!
Originally Posted By Brian Noble If today's addendum posted on MousePlanet is anywhere close to the real story, it seems that the decision to evict wasn't completely without merit---the second flare-up sealed the deal. http://www.mouseplanet.com/articles.php?art=wd071217mg
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ Wow. After reading that, I don't think anyone could possibly think that Disney did not react properly. If this decision was in fact made by a relatively low-level person making 25K per year as The Spirit believes, he/she should be immediately rewarded with a promotion and a major salary increase!
Originally Posted By jonvn No kidding. Disney did the right thing, it sounds like. They were acting like animals, they got kicked out. If I ran Disney, I'd sue them, too.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Assuming this is correct, Disney did the right thing, especially after reading Joe80x86. Today with so many people out for revenge, those were good points and worth considering. Plus Disney paid for their transport to a new hotel.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <This whole story illustrates what happens when Disney tries to expand its customer base beyond its traditional boundaries. I'm not entirely surprised that they are having these problems. If you fill up a resort with teenage boys who are there to bash in each others heads during the day, there is a good chance that will continue later in the day.< Okay now that I've read the thread, let's try and sort out the uninformed blame from where it appears it should lie. 1. Sports teams travelling to Disney at not necessarily prone to trouble. My daughter ( now graduated from college ) played in the AAU Volleyball championships every year at WWoS. 600 teams of 10- 12 girls there at the same time ( and spare me the girls vs. boys deal as many of these girls are 5'10 - 6'2 and very much athletes. Never had one issue in 7 years ( and now 3 more with my youngest). Why, because we also knew the rules before we got there. They were explained loud and clear to us. These kids are there playing for scholarships as they represent the best in their sport in the country. For us anywhere from 150 - 250 college head coaches there recruiting, and bad behavior is awarded with a trip home - as well as the fact your club is automatically out ( all age levels) for the following year. So each club director and its coaches travels with the many teams - along with 2 parents chaperones who eat/ sleep with the kids - get them to games on time, ensure all goes well - settle disputes etc. This is not counting those parents who travel with the teams to these events also. But here is a key -- parental involvement and rules. Our girls ( even at 18) were in their rooms by 10 PM - lights out @ 11. ( understand sometimes they played until 9 PM) - they were there to play - not raise holy hell. Now these kids travel extensively during the year and maybe they know what's at stake more. Something like this will get you kicked out of a club - loss of parents $ ( sometimes all some care about). I don't like the 3AM deal - but seeing as though they had other off site rooms within an hour or so - not going tolose sleep over it. Let's not try and make Disney out to be the bad guy here totally - they have to protect their other guests as well - their responsibility is to the visitors as a whole - and they in the end might have done the best thing. If those teams / clubs banned from comng back for at least a year - which will cause some kids to play elsewhere, maybe the club directors will pay more attention to rules and regs also. My oldest now coaches a club team like she played for not that long ago. It is a 24 -x 7 role when her team in on the road....and again she gets chaperone help. No parents volunteer to chaperone - the clubs don't travel - very simple.
Originally Posted By woody Why aren't the teams booked far away from each other? It's not like Disney wasn't aware of previous problems. The first incident suggests the teams didn't take any warning seriously. I wonder why. Disney should allow some teams to stay off-property.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 My question is why Spirit has basically abandoned this thread when the truth comes out that Disney did indeed do the right thing. It seems Spirit is quick to criticize but then sinks into the shadows when proved wrong.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 William...The Spirit has a life beyond the LaughingPlace. He hasn't posted anything in days because he has real things in the real world that require his attention. And he has not been 'proven wrong.' I'm sorry to inform you, but just because Mouseplanet wrote something does not make it fact. The truth is MP has part of the story. That's it. I have left this thread, until you took your shot because I have nothing else to say. I don't want to keep repeating myself. And I really don't want to defend people who engaged in boorish behavior. But Disney didn't handle the situation right from the start. One CM told me there was chaos and 'no one knew what to do.' Well, I'm sorry but that's not an acceptable answer. I was also told that no one ordered the people involved back to their rooms and told to stay inside or they would be forced to leave, which would have likely defused the situation somewhat. That's really it. If I have something else to say, I'll do so.
Originally Posted By jonvn "He hasn't posted anything in days because he has real things in the real world that require his attention." Your priorities are messed up.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^You're right. But be nice, I just paid you a big compliment in another thread.
Originally Posted By jonvn Yes, you called me a crackpot. But it is 230 am, and I am doing this, so it likely isn't far from the truth.
