Originally Posted By FerretAfros So, in order to make sure I fully understood all the things in POTC 3 when I go see it again tomorrow, I decided to watch the second one again tonight. I'm not all the way through it (still have about an hour left), but there are some really interesting things that I noticed that I would have never thought of without watching the two so close together. If you don't want any spoilers from the third movie (or second for that matter, but I assume you've all seen that already), read no further. First of all, I noticed that when Tia Dalma is telling the story of Davy Jones, she says that he fell in love with a woman, and then Gibbs tries to correct her by saying that he heard it was the sea. She responds that it's the same story just with different versions. For some reason I remembered her saying something about how she wanted it to be a woman since she was telling it, but that line is not there. I noticed that both versions are in fact true (just different ways of describing her in her Tia and Calypso forms). This obviously isn't the biggest thing ever, but I just thought it was a neat little connection that I certainly wouldn't have picked up on. I figured last summer that she was probably the one that he fell in love with, but I had no idea about the Calypos thing until they brought it up in this one (and I figured that out fairly quickly too), but this is a great little bit of foreshadowing that could clearly only be done with the two movies being written together. Also, the song that Davy Jones plays on the organ is the song from the opening of the third movie, as pointed out by my brother. It is also used in the scoring for the first battle with the Kraken. If you pay attention to the tune, it's pretty clear that it is actually the same thing. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure that it's the same melody used in the locket music box too. I'm sure there are plenty of direct references between the two films (hopefully I can pick up on more in the rest of the movie and when I go again tomorrow) which will be added later. I feel like there was another thing I noticed in the second, but I've already forgotten it. If you guys out there spot any other connections, please share, as they seem to make both movies a lot stronger. (And does anybody know why Will proposes in the third movie if they were already engaged and set to be married at the beginning of the second?)
Originally Posted By x Pirate_Princess x Also, the song that Davy Jones plays on <<the organ is the song from the opening of the third movie, as pointed out by my brother. It is also used in the scoring for the first battle with the Kraken. If you pay attention to the tune, it's pretty clear that it is actually the same thing. I'm not positive, but I'm pretty sure that it's the same melody used in the locket music box too.>> It is. I ahve the soundtrack to POTC 2 on my iPod, and I listen to it a lot (while studying). The locket music is the beginning of the song "Davy Jones" and it is also incorporated into the Kraken song. I noticed a lot of similarities in the mucis between 2 & 3 (it's one thing I always pay attention to in any movie, is the score). I had to rent POTC 2 after watching #2..I haven't returned it yet (oops) because I want to watch it again and see #3 again this weekend.
Originally Posted By x Pirate_Princess x (And does anybody know why Will proposes in the third movie if they were already engaged and set to be married at the beginning of the second?) because of Lizzy's "burden to bear" speech. She had "killed" Jack, he needed Jack and the Pearl to save his father. I guess you could say they had a minor falling out, and maybe he had no intention of following through with the initial engagement? Then, once he made his decision, he felt the need to repropose.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros For what it's worth, I think Tia Dalma knew the entire time that Will would kill Davy Jones. When he first entered her hut, she said "You have a touch of destiny about you." Then, as she was throwing the bits of crabs and stuff to direct the group to the Dutchman, she said "A touch of destiny" as if it were a spell, or as if they had destiny on her side. Finally, when the crew sees the governor floating along (just after hearing that whoever kills Jones must replace him) and a rope is thrown toward him, at which point Tia look at will and says again "A touch of destiny." At first I thought it was that destiny would help the rope get to the boat, but it's now pretty clear that the destiny was in telling Will the bit about replacing Jones. A neat little paralell is that in the second movie the natives think that Jack is a god trapped in a human form and plan to free him, which scares him into running away. This is the actual case with Tia Dalma being Calypso, but a change that she freely accepts. Also, the song that they sing when they're being hanged calls Jones to the fort. When the soldiers tell the leader (blanking on his name right now) that they're singing, he responds "It's about time," as he knows that Jones and the Dutchman will soon be under his control. Also, the song is the chords from the main theme in the first movie, with the melody removed and slowed down a lot. That's why it seems to fit with the feeling of the rest of the music, and can be integrated so easily into the score (and it's all over the second and third movies). For those of you who have seen the third movie but haven't rewatched the second, go do that. Not only does it help explain a lot of stuff in both movies, but you will see that the second movie (while dull without the info from the third), really is a great work, with strong story points leading up to the plot of the next film.
Originally Posted By x Pirate_Princess x I did that. I saw POTC3 last Friday night. Saturday, I rented POTC2. (I feel like I've said this before). It made much more sense..both 2 & 3. So I'll watch 2 again tomorrow or Saturday afternoon, and will go see 3 again Saturday night.
Originally Posted By FiveBearRugs Man, I will really have to go and see POTC 3 again...maybe even buy POTC 2 just for the heck of it. Why couldn't these films be less complex...like Gus or The North Avenue Irregulars?
Originally Posted By BrnardM What bothers me is that Beckett says in the second movie that he knows Jack, and that they each have left a mark on the other. We see that Beckett means that he has branded Jack but never do we see what mark Jack has left on Beckett.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb >>>Also, the song that they sing when they're being hanged calls Jones to the fort. When the soldiers tell the leader (blanking on his name right now) that they're singing, he responds "It's about time," as he knows that Jones and the Dutchman will soon be under his control.<<< I believe Beckett already had Jones under his control at this point and the song was to call the 9 Pirate Lords together. He wanted them all in one place so he could destroy with one fell swoop as it were.
Originally Posted By jasmine7 Yep, I agree, Deb. Beckett already had Jones under his control because Norrington brought him the heart at the end of the second film.
Originally Posted By Ursula Here are the few I remember from the first movie linking to the second and thrid, while we are on the subject. Jack's lines, "And then they made me their chief." Also, "Clearly, you've never been to Singapore."
