Originally Posted By dresswhites which attractions work in a power outage, i just thinking: -steam trains, maybe no lights in the diaromas -vehicles -Tarzan's Treehouse -jungle cruise,the animals may not move though. though with a talented skipper that might be pretty entertaining -all the river craft -storybook land -Casey Jr -mickey and minnies house, but no power no lights inside. -chip and dale treehouse -goofy's house -boat -Autopia i thought maybe carrousel and teacups, but they probabaly require electricity to run the moters to make them spin.
Originally Posted By dresswhites also no parade, or least no music. definately no fantasmic and fireworks. i worked a couple of times when there was blackouts, and i remember it was interesting.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros A lot of the music for the parades also comes from speakers along the parade route. I'm not sure how it is divided up, but there is definately noise coming from the light towers. It would be tough to do a lot of Mickey's House, since there are so few windows, but it could still be done better than most other things. The Disney Gallery could remain open, but it would be difficult to do teh print on demand without power.
Originally Posted By dresswhites each float has it own specific music. The general parade music is in the speakers along the route.
Originally Posted By TinksBestFriend I would not be concerned about the music in the parade...music is from the floats (Battery powered, naturally) and from the speakers on the light poles and there are lights on the floats. My problem in the 7:00 parade would be the performers in the darkness not being able to see the horsecar tracks on Main Street and any other obstructions-not a good thing. There should be emergency lighting through out the Park.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Disneyland generates it's own power, doesn't it? If not, it's definitely logical to assume there are backup generators sufficient to run the entire park on at least a limited basis. No doubt there's plenty of emergency lighting.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice And I think the Carousel and the Tea Cups are propane powered... Heh heh heh... ;-)
Originally Posted By cwade Actually, the interior of the Tiki room doesn't have a backup generator, but the remainder of Adventureland does, there are actually very few attractions that do not have the capability of running in a blackout anymore, I have been there when there were blackouts and it's interesting to see what doesn't run, the only one I remember not running was the Tiki room.
Originally Posted By tiggertoo <<-Autopia>> Nope, Autopia goes down too. The pneumatic track switchs (you see them just after you leave the pit and as you return) need constant power to remain in the upward position. When we lose power, the switchs will drop as soon as we lose enough pressure, which would obviously cause pandemonium.
Originally Posted By Big Thunder <<"Disneyland generates it's own power, doesn't it?">> No it gets it's electricity from the city of Anaheim, which has it's own electric utility company independent of Edison, [Edison supplies the majority of So. CA] However, I've always thought DL should have it's own power plant, I know of smaller companies in So. CA that generate their own power. Maybe it was an agreement as part of DL's operating condition early on?
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Thanks for the clarification guys... Now, can anyone confirm the propane-powered Teacups and Carousel? ;-)
Originally Posted By tangaroa >If not, it's definitely logical to >assume there are backup generators >sufficient to run the entire park on at >least a limited basis. I would guess they have backup generators to run emergency equipment and lighting - to evacuate the rides, but most definitely not to continue normal operation. The show lighting alone would eat up more power than backup generators could provide. And in the event of a power interruption, most (if not all) the rides controlled by computer would automatically shut down and trigger an E-stop. There are even occasions where the power will decrease enough - without going entirely out - to cause the ride computers to detect a power loss and shut down the ride. So the rides would all shut down during a power interruption anyway. But something else to note is that most of the ride areas are on different circuits and subsystems, so unless something catastrophic happened with the power supply coming from Anaheim, it would be very rare for the *entire* park to be hit with a power outage at the same time. If a breaker or subsystem went out in one area, say Tomorrowland, the rest of the park would be fine. Long ago I was on the PeopleMover when the power "dipped" and it affected the PeopleMover, Circlevision, and the Teacups (and possibly one or two other rides, but I can't remember). In that instance all the rides shut down in that area, and we were escorted off, but they all came back online in about 20 minutes and the rest of the park was unaffected. That’s from a ride perspective though. Not sure what happens in the stores, but I’m pretty positive that the restaurants DO close down during a power outage. In the event that the power goes out at night, I believe the parade lighting on Main Street has its own power generator so as to provide light on the street to necessitate an evacuation.
Originally Posted By tangaroa And as another aside to this story: I'm not sure what procedure they have in place specifically, but I don't know if it would be all that wise to keep the attractions that COULD operate - running during a power outage. If the Mark Twain could still run during a power outage, could you imagine the huge crowd that would all line up for it? It would cause congestion and frustration - combine with the anger of having most of the rides in the park already closed. It would be a mess.
Originally Posted By wonderingalice Thanks, tang... Good points, all! I wasn't real clear, but by 'limited basis,' I meant that there'd be enough power to safely evacuate the rides, including getting vehicles to a point that would be safe to walk folks off of them - if not all the way back to a 'home base.'
Originally Posted By grumpster Believe me, after looking at the electricity generation of their back up generators, they wouldn't be running any attractions if electricity was cut to the park. I also found it interesting that one of their main back ups is powered by nat gas rather than diesel. That's ok unless an earthquake damages the line.
Originally Posted By SuperDry ^^^ If there's an earthquake close enough to the park that's strong enough to damage natural gas lines, then it's probably unsafe to operate attractions until a thorough inspection is carried out. I've been in Tomorrowland at night when a power feed from the east side of the park went out. Everything went dark, and then a few seconds later the lights came back on and then everything was back to normal after a few minutes. The power outage along Harbor lasted for a couple of hours before the utility repaired things, but apparently power equipment within Disneyland was able to switch the affected areas over to another feed. It's apparent that they have several feeds from the power company, and it would not surprise me if they have more than one power company. That is, if Anaheim has its own municipal power company as has been mentioned on this thread, Disneyland is big enough to arrange to have its own feed from Edison brought in. This isn't uncommon for situations like large factories, so it would not surprise me if DL has done the same. <<< I would guess they have backup generators to run emergency equipment and lighting - to evacuate the rides, but most definitely not to continue normal operation. The show lighting alone would eat up more power than backup generators could provide. And in the event of a power interruption, most (if not all) the rides controlled by computer would automatically shut down and trigger an E-stop. There are even occasions where the power will decrease enough - without going entirely out - to cause the ride computers to detect a power loss and shut down the ride. So the rides would all shut down during a power interruption anyway. >>> Although I'm sure you're right about how DL operates, it really is just a matter of weighing the cost of the solution vs the need. If you're willing to spend the money, you can have a solution that provides backup power for just about any situation, including covering the transition from primary to backup such that there's no interruption whatever. Especially since DL has multiple power feeds from the outside and the abiility to switch power internally, I would imagine that any local generation capacity is what's needed for life safety purposes and not to keep business going during an outage.
Originally Posted By tigger_twin89 Rides like POTC and Splash if there is a power outage or emergancy.....all the water drains from the rides in 3-5 seconds and all the passangers are evactuated. But others still run. omg imange being stuck in HM in a power outage.........I would be so scared lol, but im a big baby
Originally Posted By imadisneygal I have worked in City Hall during power outages and emergencies, and I have never seen the water drained from POTC or Splash let alone in 3-5 seconds. I don't doubt there is a way to drain the flumes expediently but this is definitely not an automatic thing that happens during an emergency or power outage. POTC is evacuated with the water still in the flume and I've worn the waders to prove it. Of course I just cross trained there for a day and did not work the attraction itself on a regular basis. I am sure that there are attractions CM's on here can confirm that these attractions do not drain in 3-5 seconds during a power outage.
Originally Posted By Big Thunder it would be impossible and impractical to drain POTC in 3-5 seconds. It's thousands of gallons of water. It takes many many hours to fill, but somehow it takes 3 seconds to drain???
